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To: inchworm
Here is the problem in a nutshell.

Sixty years ago a sexual revolution swept America. It was a function of the Baby Boomers reaching puberty at the same time. By the late 1960s, American sexual behavior was similar to France or Sweden.

The battle over abortion started in states where legislatures, fearing the power of the churches, handed the issue to the people via referendum. The voters spoke, and abortion restrictions fell in state after state via the initiative and referendum mechanisms.

The battle royale was New York state where it had to be fought in the legislature because New York doesn't use the initiative mechanism and only uses the referendum mechanism to ratify bond issues. This was a knock-down drag-out brawl that played out at family dinner tables. The legislature loosened restrictions, and Gov. Rockefeller signed the law. Abortion opponents threatened consequences at the next election but only showed how toothless they were when nothing happened.

The US Supreme Court should have stayed out of it by refusing to grant cert to Roe v. Wade and punting it back to the Texas courts. But having created a national right to abortion, two generations of women came to believe they possessed that right. Men and women were glad to have abortion as a backstop for sexual freedom. Having experienced sexual freedom, people are loathe to give it up, so you need to have a good reason to take away what people perceive to be their right.

The key arguments against abortion are based on strong religious belief. Catholics used to be the largest faith in America, but now Unbelief has replaced them as Number One. Unbelief is also the fastest growing "religion" in America. For many, God the Hairy Thunderer has been replaced by God the Cosmic Muffin. It’s hard to make an effective religious argument when so many have put organized religion aside for a secular or somewhat “spiritual” approach.

To really end abortion, you need to convince people to end sexual freedom, erase the 1960s and return to an earlier frame of morality. That’s a hard sell. Once the cat is out of the bag, as a rule it doesn't want to go back in.

18 posted on 09/17/2023 2:37:01 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius

Truth! Well said.


33 posted on 09/17/2023 2:57:46 PM PDT by avenir ("For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"!)
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To: Publius
'The key arguments against abortion are based on strong religious belief.'

Not at all. The idea is based on our founding that we have unalienable rights, and one of those is life, and that is protected. Either life begins at conception, or some other timeline depending on your political beliefs.

48 posted on 09/17/2023 3:11:15 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Publius
"But having created a national right to abortion, two generations of women came to believe they possessed that right. Men and women were glad to have abortion as a backstop for sexual freedom. Having experienced sexual freedom, people are loathe to give it up, so you need to have a good reason to take away what people perceive to be their right."

Roe was a deliberate, ungodly act by a Protestant court to bring a black genocide holocaust into creation.

89 posted on 09/17/2023 4:11:02 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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