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Trump says Ukraine could have avoided conflict
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Posted on 09/18/2023 12:00:17 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook

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To: Reily

Ukraine is low IQ. Should learn from Mexico who never threatened to join enemy pact of bigger neighbor USA.
Stupid Ukraine wants to join Russsia’s enemy NATO.
Mexican has no damaged infrastructure. Ukraine is damaged beyond belief. Ukraine has too many low IQ leaders.


121 posted on 09/18/2023 6:03:03 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Desantis build wealth. Trumpcrificed his wealth to serve people. GO TRUMP)
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To: entropy12

Does that analysis apply to Sweden, Finland, the Baltic states and Poland?


122 posted on 09/18/2023 6:32:18 PM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: Reily

Do Sweden & Poland have common borders with Russia ?
Have Swedes & Poles fighting with Russians inside their country?


123 posted on 09/18/2023 6:58:39 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Desantis build wealth. Trumpcrificed his wealth to serve people. GO TRUMP)
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To: Sunsong

UK, US and Germany are the biggest members of NATO. They promised NATO would not expand. So they lied.


124 posted on 09/18/2023 7:44:54 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
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To: Verginius Rufus
Crimea and the occupied oblasts in eastern Ukraine all voted for Ukraine’s independence when Ukraine left the Soviet Union.

One Word: Euromaidan
125 posted on 09/18/2023 7:49:00 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook
Trump never explains how Ukraine could have avoided invasion. Never explains how they are responsible or why the US should not aid their defense. He never puts any responsibility on Russia as if they have no will of their own. He never explains how he will cut a deal in 24 hours, as if he is the only one involved.

Trump is not willing to admit that Russia does not want peace. They do not want to be "safe from NATO" or anyone else, no one was ever threatening Russia. Putin wants a new Russian empire. Trying to buy Russia off will only delay them, not stop them.

126 posted on 09/18/2023 8:29:47 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: canuck_conservative

I agree with Trump. What in the world did Ukraine ever do for us? Except take so many of our weapons, we can’t defend the US. Saw that on Rumble, a Tucker interview.


127 posted on 09/18/2023 8:46:10 PM PDT by Veto! (FJB Sucks Rocks)
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To: canuck_conservative
"there was until Russia illegally invaded in Feb. 2022..."

Russia hasn't invaded anything. They are conducting a rescue mission. "ukraine(TM)" is not a real country, it is a collection of nazis and kleptocrats occupying a certain area of land expropriated from Russia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and a couple of others. Ethnic Russians caught up in that crap were being so badly mistreated that Putin was forced to act. That's on top of the idiots wanting to put nafo weapons right upon Russia's border.

How to avoid being invaded

You say that ukrainians did not want to be invaded?? Then perhaps they should have avoided the following:


128 posted on 09/18/2023 9:09:09 PM PDT by ganeemead ( )
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To: canuck_conservative
Putin's trying to put it [Soviet Union] back together again ... by force

That's nonsense. The beef between Youcrayne and Ruzzziiiiaaa has been ongoing for at least a century. It will never end - until one side or the other ends it. Right now Ruzzzziiiiaaa's trying to end it. And in my opinion, it won't. The beef will continue for at least another 100 years, regardless of which craphole wins the latest round.

Not our circus. Let these two corrupt, soulless Eastern European crapholes have at it, without my money helping fuel the fire and cpntribute to the death, grief and mayhem.

129 posted on 09/19/2023 12:47:41 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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To: Widget Jr
"Putin wants a new Russian empire."

Prove it.

130 posted on 09/19/2023 12:51:40 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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To: Rocco DiPippo
Putin's December 17, 2021 Ultimatum.

Read it and understand it, instead of ignoring, dismissing, or making excuses for it.

131 posted on 09/19/2023 3:36:07 AM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: canuck_conservative
you didn't notice? Putin's trying to put it back together again ... by force so as long as Russia is a malicious warmonger, it's a threat ... you can choose to be blind and oblivious to the threat if you want but like Ronald Reagan, real conservatives won't ignore it

Congrats, you've reached peak clown.

132 posted on 09/19/2023 5:00:10 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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To: Widget Jr
I can say that I want to be master of the universe all day, every day. Amounts to nothing.

Why are you so madly in love with one of the most corrupt, degenerate, countries in Europe?

133 posted on 09/19/2023 5:05:51 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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To: Rocco DiPippo

That’s about what I expected from you.


134 posted on 09/19/2023 5:06:40 AM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: entropy12

You forget history!


135 posted on 09/19/2023 7:06:43 AM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: Sunsong

Nailhead:

“Myth 2: NATO promised Russia it would not expand after the Cold War
Fact: Such an agreement was never made. NATO’s door has been open to new members since it was founded in 1949 – and that has never changed. This “Open Door Policy” is enshrined in Article 10 of NATO’s founding treaty, which says “any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic” can apply for membership. Decisions on membership are taken by consensus among all Allies. No treaty signed by the United States, Europe and Russia included provisions on NATO membership.

The idea of NATO expansion beyond a united Germany was not on the agenda in 1989, particularly as the Warsaw Pact still existed. This was confirmed by Mikhail Gorbachev in an interview in 2014: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either.”

Declassified White House transcripts also reveal that, in 1997, Bill Clinton consistently refused Boris Yeltsin’s offer of a ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ that no former Soviet Republics would enter NATO: “I can’t make commitments on behalf of NATO, and I’m not going to be in the position myself of vetoing NATO expansion with respect to any country, much less letting you or anyone else do so…NATO operates by consensus.”

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm?


136 posted on 09/19/2023 8:06:47 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Trump's lies about Cuomo being better than DeSantis on Covid is DISQUALIFYING....)
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To: Sunsong

No, it is true. You need to acquaint yourself with the facts. The exact words he used on January 19, 2022 were “minor incursion” suggesting that our response would be muted. He gave the clear impression that he was drawing a distinction between a “minor incursion” and an invasion. That shocking statement was broadly seen as “green light” to Russia and met with immediate criticism from Washington to Kiev. So he was forced to walk it back. Regardless of his real intent (Biden is so confused you never know what’s real), the problem was it sent the wrong message to Russia at the wrong time.

If you’re going to say something is not true, you should back it up with facts instead of misinformed opinion.


137 posted on 09/19/2023 8:13:07 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Allegra

Yes but then Biden’s corruption would have been exposed


138 posted on 09/19/2023 9:04:35 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Starboard

Wrong

there was no ‘minor incursion’

meaning that our response would NOT be muted.

Biden was warning putin, t was definitely NOT a green light


139 posted on 09/19/2023 11:44:55 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong

“there was no ‘minor incursion’”

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You’re completely missing (or evading) the point which is that Biden’s choice of words served to encourage Russia to make their advance. If that wasn’t so than why did so many people (even Kiev) criticize him for saying it?

He said what he said, and what I documented is factual. You can dodge it all you want but that’s the truth.


140 posted on 09/19/2023 11:59:42 AM PDT by Starboard
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