Posted on 09/18/2023 12:00:17 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
Ukraine could have avoided hundreds of thousands of deaths and lost less land if it had reached a peace deal with Russia before the conflict began last February, former US President Donald Trump told NBC News in an interview aired on Sunday.
The loss of Ukrainian territory to Russia is “something that could have been negotiated,” Trump told NBC host Kristen Welker, adding that “a lot of people expected” Kiev to abandon its claims to “Crimea and other parts of the country” in exchange for peace.
“So they could have made a deal where there’s less territory [lost] than Russia has already taken,” Trump continued. “They could have made a deal where nobody was killed…they would have had a Ukrainian country. Now nobody even knows if Ukraine is going to be totally taken over.”
By “other parts of the country,” Trump was likely referring to the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, whose sovereignty Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized three days before Russia’s military operation in Ukraine began. Following referendums last September, both regions have now joined the Russian Federation, along with the formerly Ukrainian territories of Kherson and Zaporozhye. Crimea voted to rejoin Russia in 2014.
Ukraine is low IQ. Should learn from Mexico who never threatened to join enemy pact of bigger neighbor USA.
Stupid Ukraine wants to join Russsia’s enemy NATO.
Mexican has no damaged infrastructure. Ukraine is damaged beyond belief. Ukraine has too many low IQ leaders.
Does that analysis apply to Sweden, Finland, the Baltic states and Poland?
Do Sweden & Poland have common borders with Russia ?
Have Swedes & Poles fighting with Russians inside their country?
UK, US and Germany are the biggest members of NATO. They promised NATO would not expand. So they lied.
Trump is not willing to admit that Russia does not want peace. They do not want to be "safe from NATO" or anyone else, no one was ever threatening Russia. Putin wants a new Russian empire. Trying to buy Russia off will only delay them, not stop them.
I agree with Trump. What in the world did Ukraine ever do for us? Except take so many of our weapons, we can’t defend the US. Saw that on Rumble, a Tucker interview.
Russia hasn't invaded anything. They are conducting a rescue mission. "ukraine(TM)" is not a real country, it is a collection of nazis and kleptocrats occupying a certain area of land expropriated from Russia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and a couple of others. Ethnic Russians caught up in that crap were being so badly mistreated that Putin was forced to act. That's on top of the idiots wanting to put nafo weapons right upon Russia's border.
You say that ukrainians did not want to be invaded?? Then perhaps they should have avoided the following:
That's nonsense. The beef between Youcrayne and Ruzzziiiiaaa has been ongoing for at least a century. It will never end - until one side or the other ends it. Right now Ruzzzziiiiaaa's trying to end it. And in my opinion, it won't. The beef will continue for at least another 100 years, regardless of which craphole wins the latest round.
Not our circus. Let these two corrupt, soulless Eastern European crapholes have at it, without my money helping fuel the fire and cpntribute to the death, grief and mayhem.
Prove it.
Read it and understand it, instead of ignoring, dismissing, or making excuses for it.
Congrats, you've reached peak clown.
Why are you so madly in love with one of the most corrupt, degenerate, countries in Europe?
That’s about what I expected from you.
You forget history!
Nailhead:
“Myth 2: NATO promised Russia it would not expand after the Cold War
Fact: Such an agreement was never made. NATO’s door has been open to new members since it was founded in 1949 – and that has never changed. This “Open Door Policy” is enshrined in Article 10 of NATO’s founding treaty, which says “any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic” can apply for membership. Decisions on membership are taken by consensus among all Allies. No treaty signed by the United States, Europe and Russia included provisions on NATO membership.
The idea of NATO expansion beyond a united Germany was not on the agenda in 1989, particularly as the Warsaw Pact still existed. This was confirmed by Mikhail Gorbachev in an interview in 2014: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either.”
Declassified White House transcripts also reveal that, in 1997, Bill Clinton consistently refused Boris Yeltsin’s offer of a ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ that no former Soviet Republics would enter NATO: “I can’t make commitments on behalf of NATO, and I’m not going to be in the position myself of vetoing NATO expansion with respect to any country, much less letting you or anyone else do so…NATO operates by consensus.”
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm?
No, it is true. You need to acquaint yourself with the facts. The exact words he used on January 19, 2022 were “minor incursion” suggesting that our response would be muted. He gave the clear impression that he was drawing a distinction between a “minor incursion” and an invasion. That shocking statement was broadly seen as “green light” to Russia and met with immediate criticism from Washington to Kiev. So he was forced to walk it back. Regardless of his real intent (Biden is so confused you never know what’s real), the problem was it sent the wrong message to Russia at the wrong time.
If you’re going to say something is not true, you should back it up with facts instead of misinformed opinion.
Yes but then Biden’s corruption would have been exposed
Wrong
there was no ‘minor incursion’
meaning that our response would NOT be muted.
Biden was warning putin, t was definitely NOT a green light
“there was no ‘minor incursion’”
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You’re completely missing (or evading) the point which is that Biden’s choice of words served to encourage Russia to make their advance. If that wasn’t so than why did so many people (even Kiev) criticize him for saying it?
He said what he said, and what I documented is factual. You can dodge it all you want but that’s the truth.
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