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To: Reverend Wright; palmer; elenvee; Chad C. Mulligan; adorno; gleeaikin; All

Reverend Wright, you said:
“NATO is an anti-Russian alliance, but NATO is not a hostile alliance to an enemy country...????”

My answer:
Read again what I said previously.
I said : Unlike Russia, NATO has never ANNEXED territories by force and violence and declared “this is NATO-land now”!
We can agree on that right?

Also as everyone knows from our history lessons :
Russia had stolen half of Europe for many decades, including the Baltic States (!). When the infamous Russian WALL finally got teared down and the Kremlin colonialist regime imploded, all those eastern countries previously stolen and/or under Russian control, finally got their freedom again.

They knew though that Russia would one day COME BACK with its usual neocon warmongering and for-ever-wars (which Russia indeed started to do again from 2014 and beyond). That’s why those small defenseless eastern nations demanded NATO’s protection, in order to not be invaded AGAIN!

And it worked! NATO’s defensive structure managed to stop Russia to steal back all those Eastern European nations.

HOWEVER (!) every sovereign eastern country not yet in NATO’s protective umbrella, have ALL(!) been invaded by Russia! Yes: Georgia, Moldova, Crimea, Ukraine...
THUS, we can agree that NATO defensive mechanism works!
NATO has ZERO interest, will, or structure to annex Russia other other countries. Even Putin knows that.

About YUGOSLAVIA.

Again, that country is a free nation. It is NOT controlled by either America, the EU or NATO. Pretending otherwise is pure missinformation.

The NATO bombings that happened there were done only after endless discussions and negotiations were held with Serbia trying to make them stop the killings of their own people.
Unfortunately, the Soviet-inspired bloodthirsty communist apparatchik called MILOSEVIC continued the organized mass executions of civilians.

THAT triggered NATO to act. But again:

Unlike what Russia did in Ukraine, NATO didn’t put NATO troops on the ground in Serbia.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t invade Serbia.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t ANNEX Serbia.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t kidnap thousands of Serbian children.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t level (Grozny-style) entire villages and and towns in Serbia.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t purposely mass bomb civilian apartments and houses were regular citizens live and sleep.


76 posted on 10/01/2023 8:22:09 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE; All

Now this NeoCon defends the Serbia bombing.

What about the Iraq War or the Bush/Clinton Somalia fiasco ?

Is there any Globalist war stupidity you won’t defend ?


80 posted on 10/01/2023 11:01:28 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: USA-FRANCE
True, NATO is not Russia. But that's not the point. NATO was a defensive organization until Clinton and then it turned offensive, some coincidence, some corruption and some wag-the-dog. Russia quite properly saw that as a threat and responded with non-war. They did it like NATO with political machinations and finesse but last year they escalated to all out war. The big picture is that Russia will always inevitably resort to war when non-war approaches fail. You point to the war and their war crimes like that was their first option.

In NATO's case the non-war approaches almost always work. Ukraine is a good example of taking over through non-war. Lots of corruption enriching our oligarchs instead of the Russian and Russian-allied oligarchs. Worked out great for the Bidens and many others.

The result of "defeating" Russia in Ukraine is easy to predict. Russia will come back in 20 or 30 or 40 years and take it back. The way to avoid that is a negotiated settlement.

85 posted on 10/02/2023 6:57:03 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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