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New research finds that ancient carbon in rocks releases as much carbon dioxide as the world's volcanoes
Phys.org ^ | 10/4/2023 | University of Oxford

Posted on 10/05/2023 3:55:10 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

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To: Recovering_Democrat
Thank God. The crazy idea of reducing CO2 in the atmosphere reminds me of Bill Murray's lament to his departing girlfriend at the beginning of Stripes, "You can't go! The plants will all die!"

In the case of CO2, that's literally true (and probably true about his girlfriend).

21 posted on 10/05/2023 5:34:53 AM PDT by katana
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The insane leftist who proposed burying trees - is he going to demand we bury rocks too?


22 posted on 10/05/2023 5:59:25 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Democracy dies when you take away from those who work and give to those who won't. Khrushchev.)
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To: katana

I’d like to see enviroweenies try to cork a volcano...

Heck, I’d PAY to see that.


23 posted on 10/05/2023 6:00:26 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

So what is the solution? Cover all ancient rocks with plastic, or with duct tape? Plastic would probably be cheaper.


24 posted on 10/05/2023 6:04:25 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Recovering_Democrat

bkmk


25 posted on 10/05/2023 6:05:25 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Recovering_Democrat

You’re right. All rocks must go! Off with their heads.


26 posted on 10/05/2023 6:08:01 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("Normal" is never coming back.)
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To: xp38

Damn kids with their rock and roll.


27 posted on 10/05/2023 6:08:47 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: chopperk
This report is the dumbest thing ever stated.

About as dumb as the idea that man causes global warming.

28 posted on 10/05/2023 6:10:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: chopperk

Geogenic carbon dioxide is a thing.


29 posted on 10/05/2023 6:11:31 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: Don@VB

We need to bury these rocks immediately!


30 posted on 10/05/2023 6:12:42 AM PDT by oldasrocks
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Nooooooo! It can’t be! Scientists assure us that man is 99% responsible for climate change! /s


31 posted on 10/05/2023 6:16:08 AM PDT by Bob434
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And P.S. co2 does NOT drive temperatures!


32 posted on 10/05/2023 6:16:46 AM PDT by Bob434
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CO2 levels are a lagging indicator that an ice age is starting to end.


33 posted on 10/05/2023 6:17:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Butt Plugs for all volcanos. Even undersea volcanos. Then we can keep the ancient rocks.


34 posted on 10/05/2023 6:28:16 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Recovering_Democrat

If we plastic coated the rocks it would be OK but we would have to use Oil ,LOL


35 posted on 10/05/2023 6:32:28 AM PDT by butlerweave
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THE POSITIVE IMPACT OF HUMAN CO2 EMISSIONS
ON THE SURVIVAL OF LIFE ON EARTH
BY PATRICK MOORE | JUNE 2016
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/moore-positive-impact-of-human-co2-emissions.pdf


36 posted on 10/05/2023 6:43:40 AM PDT by Haddit
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To: Recovering_Democrat

My notes from Dr. Patrick Moore on CO2:
Without CO2, this would be a dead planet.
Human emissions of CO2 have already saved our planet from an untimely end.
Adding chlorine to our drinking water was the biggest advance in the history of public health.
CO2 was at 280 ppm at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.
CO2 is 400 ppm today.
The G7 plans to phase out 85% of the world’s energy supply.
World’s top climate body is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

IPCC composed of World Meteorological Organization, weather forecasters, the United Nations Environment Program, and environmentalists.

CO2 was highest for the first 4 billion years.
Modern life forms started 540 million years ago.
At the end of the Jurassic period 150 million years ago, temperatures fell and CO2 spiked.

During the Eocene Thermal Maximum period 50 million years ago, the temperature was higher than the previous 500 million years while CO2 had been trending down for 100 million years.

CO2 was trending downwards while temperatures were going up.

The Devonian Period began 400 million years ago and brought life to the planet.
Plants evolved to produce Lignin, combined with cellulose, allowing plants to grow tall, competing for sunlight.
Vast forests spread across the world absorbing CO2 from the atmosphere.
Trees died atop one another until they were 100 meters thick, they did not decompose.
This made the coal beds that sequestered CO2 for 90 million years.
White rot fungi evolved to produce enzymes that could digest Lignin and coal making ended.
Had not there been this fungi, atmospheric CO2 would have dropped to 150 ppm, plants, animals and insects would have died as the CO2 was sequestered in the dead plants.

We have been in a major cooling period since the Eocene Thermal Maximum 50 million years ago.
The earth was 16C warmer then with no ice at the N and S poles and the land there was covered in forests.

Glaciers began to form in the Antarctica 30 million years ago.
Glaciers began to form in the North Artic 3 million years ago.
We are experiencing a cold climate.

In the past 800,000 years we have had glaciation in 100,000 year increments.
The cycle is tied to the eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit and axial tilt.
CO2 lags temperature by an average of 800 years.

A change in the temperature is far more likely to cause a change in CO2 due to outgassing of CO2 from the oceans during warmer times and an ingassing (absorption) of CO2 during colder periods.

20,000 years ago, at the peak of glaciation, Chicago was under one mile of ice and the ocean was 400 feet lower.

The Holocene Thermal optimum was from 9,000 to 5,000 years ago, when the Sahara was green. The sea level may also have been higher than today during the Medieval Warm Period.

Temperatures in central England have risen at a steady slow rate since 1700.
The River Thames last froze over in 1814 as the Earth moved into the Modern Warm Period.

The IPCC states it is “extremely likely” that human emissions have been the dominant cause of global warming “since the mid-20th century”, that is since 1950. They claim that “extremely” means 95% certain.

There was a 30-year warming from 1910-1940
A cooling from 1940 to 1970
A 30-year warming from 1970-2000
CO2 began to rise from 1970-2000 and the IPCC blames this for global warming.
Water is by far the most important greenhouse gas
CO2 is the most important building block of all life and must be in our atmosphere for the survival of plants which in turn is necessary for the survival for all other life.

The optimum level of CO2 for plants is 2000 ppm. It is 400 ppm today.

The use of fossil fuels is creating CO2, half goes into the atmosphere and the other half goes into plants, creating a greening of the earth.

All CO2 in the atmosphere came from early earth’s volcanic eruptions.
CO2 has not been replaced fast enough to offset the losses due to burial in sediments.

Tiny marine phytoplankton, coccolithophores, shellfish such as clams, snails, and corals combine calcium and carbon into calcium carbonate.

Carbonaceous rocks, limestone, chalk, and marble are made of calcium carbonate.
99.9% of all carbon ever present in the atmosphere is sequestered in carbonaceous rocks.

There are 100,000,000 billion tons of carbon in carbonaceous sediment. Carbon that has been removed from the life cycle.

There is 850 billion tons of CO2 in the atmosphere today at 400 ppm.

There were 15,000 billion tons of CO2 in the atmosphere 500 million years ago at the beginning of modern life-forms.

There are 2,000 billion tons of carbon in plants and soils.
There are 38,000 billion tons of dissolved CO2 in the oceans.
There are 5,000-10,000 billion tons of carbon in fossil fuels.

There is a loss of 37,000 tons of carbon from the atmosphere every 150 million years.
We lost 90% of CO2 from our atmosphere in the last 150 million years.

If this trend continues CO2 will inevitably fall to levels that threaten the survival of plants, which require a minimum of 150 ppm to survive. If plants die all the animals, insects, and other invertebrates that depend on plants for their survival will also die.

The last glaciation peaked 18,000 years ago and CO2 bottomed out at 180 ppm, likely the lowest level in history.

The growth rate for plants would be much higher if CO2 was at 1000-2000 ppm, we are at 400 ppm.

Here is the shocking news. If humans had not begun to unlock some of the carbon stored as fossil fuels, all of which had been in the atmosphere as CO2 before sequestration by plants and animals, life on Earth would have soon been starved of this essential nutrient and would begin to die. Given the present trends of glaciations and interglacial periods this would likely have occurred less than 2 million years from today, a blink in nature’s eye, 0.05% of the 3.5 billion-year history of life.

James Lovelock has switched sides and now believes humans releasing CO2 are essential to Gaia, the life of our planet.

If the Earth were 24 hours old we were at 38 seconds to midnight when we reversed the trend towards the End Times.

We may have added 200 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere.
If we stopped using fossil fuels today, we have already bought another 5 million years for life on earth.

There is the quadrillion tons of carbon in carbonaceous rocks of which we can transform into lime and CO2 for the manufacture of cement.

Hydrocarbons, the energy components of fossil fuels, are 100% organic, as in organic chemistry. They were produced by solar energy in ancient seas and forests. When they are burned for energy the main products are water and CO2, the two most essential foods for life. And fossil fuels are by far the largest storage battery of direct solar energy on Earth. Nothing else comes close except nuclear fuel, which is also solar in the sense that it was produced in dying stars.

**

Globalists

For the globalist, CO2, carbon dioxide, is bad. It is melting the earth and we need a United Nations charter to coordinate the reduction of CO2 amongst all nations.

Our congress relinquished some of their law making to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for greenhouse gasses. Our courts determined that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

That gives Gina McCarthy, the head of the EPA, unprecedented powers to mold our country.

Manufacturing requires power, power is provided by power plants that create CO2. Here in California we had an Assembly Bill 32 that would fine and regulate manufacturing, take that money and offset the greenhouse gasses, in this case CO2. That money went to solar plants and wind farms. Now it is used for “sustainable cities” and the High-Speed-Rail.

Some people gave a report:
Driving and the Built Environment

In that report they laid out their plans for us minions. We are to give up our cars and rely on public transportation. Since light rail is on a track, we are to build high-density housing along those tracks. Then they will build a high-speed-rail system from city to city. Most of the construction contracts will go to international corporations and China.

That policy was picked up by our Transportation Secretary at the time:

U.S. Department of Transportation
Transportation for a New Generation
Strategic Plan Fiscal years 2012-2016

As pointed out in “Driving and the Built Environment”, it would be hard to get people to move into apartments. But another study said that young people and foreigners would, so they went with it.

Cities overlooked their zoning codes and would allow developers to build higher and denser if they designated some of the housing to the disadvantaged, or people that couldn’t show proof of employment. It wouldn’t look right to give that housing to an illegal, but if they had a kid it would be ok.

So now we have these fancy apartment buildings built over retailers where the rent is high so that they can subsidize the disadvantaged. It works, but that is because they have nice restaurants and retailers and I doubt that it is the people living in the apartments above that can afford to eat out every night.

We had to import people and entice them to have kids to live in subsidized apartments to appease the environmentalists. Then we had to find people with money to pay the difference. Now our courts and HUD (Housing and Urban Development) have decided that every neighborhood needs housing for the poor and when we build housing for the poor, we must have walkways and bike paths take us to the bus stop and busses must come by every 20 minutes. Every neighborhood in the nation is to report their income inequality to HUD every year.

Cities have always tried to ease traffic, they have always said they would synchronize the traffic lights, but never have. Now these dedicated bus lanes and light rail lines are to be lined with high-density housing and the fact that they are creating a barrier to traffic is purposeful. The environmentalist don’t like cars.

And it’s all because of CO2.

Here’s where we find out that this is social engineering and has nothing to do with the environment. Products made in China, India and third world countries don’t have environmental regulations. They pollute into the same atmosphere we all share.

Those container ships in the ports of Los Angeles produce over half of our pollution. We’re not talking about CO2 here, we are talking smog, acid rain, SO2, lead, they use the dirtiest fuel available and that pollution is along their entire route across the oceans. There are over 90,000 container ships and the larger ones produce enough power to provide for a city of 90,000 people.

CO2 made it possible for an unelected EPA agency head to make law and manipulate manufacturing, farming, mining, trade, housing, and immigration. And our congress let her.


37 posted on 10/05/2023 6:45:20 AM PDT by Haddit
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To: Haddit

bkmk


38 posted on 10/05/2023 6:50:28 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Verginius Rufus
So what is the solution? Cover all ancient rocks with plastic, or with duct tape? Plastic would probably be cheaper.

We can rake all that ocean plastic in to cover the rocks.

Or use 'micro plastics' to fill the leaky pores of the rocks!

Or use the pages from all the grant-funding proposals these people generated to cover the entire planet...
39 posted on 10/05/2023 6:51:17 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Does digging up rocks to get lithium contribute to the problem?


40 posted on 10/05/2023 7:02:59 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob
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