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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sorry just a Bachelor’s, but gìve mẹ a freaking break.

China has been (rapidly) changing their entire economy to electric power. For years.

Yet we are unable?

Really?


10 posted on 11/13/2023 7:50:06 PM PST by cba123 (Tôi là người Mỹ. Hiện tôi đang ở Việt Nam)
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To: cba123
Actually, the other day I saw a video of a giant "EV graveyard" in China, so I'm not sure it's working out so well for them, either.

They looked pretty, though.

12 posted on 11/13/2023 7:56:07 PM PST by The Duke (Why do I think that the cynicism gene is going to be prevalent in future generations?)
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To: cba123
China has been (rapidly) changing their entire economy to electric power. For years.

China is building more coal powered electric plants than anybody.

FJB is shutting ours down.

https://apnews.com/article/coal-retirement-climate-change-china-india-5ac4a2eeaf71b5e839b2a0e09ae8bd38

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/cop26-aims-banish-coal-asia-is-building-hundreds-power-plants-burn-it-2021-10-29/

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/chinese-coal-based-power-plants

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/26/china-coal-plant-fossil-fuel-pollution/

13 posted on 11/13/2023 7:57:06 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: cba123

(Continued) If China is producing the electricity for EVs from coal, how does that reduce CO2 production?

You just moved it from the tailpipe to the smokestack.


15 posted on 11/13/2023 8:02:35 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: cba123

“China has been (rapidly) changing their entire economy to electric power. For years”

Coal powered, too.


20 posted on 11/13/2023 8:11:29 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (islam is a totalitarian death cult founded by a child rapist.)
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To: cba123

China has also been bringing coal fired power plants online at an astounding rate. They could care less about pollution. Well, they care enough to move it from the densely populated cities to the rural countryside. This is why they are pushing EV’s in their cities. Everyone has seen the intense polluted air photos they have in cities like Beijing.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=how+many+coal+fired+plants+open+in+china&ia=web


21 posted on 11/13/2023 8:19:56 PM PST by Boomer (The Long Winter is coming...)
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To: cba123

China is bringing additional power stations online and keeping their grid in pristine shape.

Are we doing the same?

No, we’re not.

That’s the problem. Not only are we not adding new stations, we’re decommissioning old ones with no replacements, and trying to power it all with unicorn farts and the sun.

your Bachelors should have given you enough understanding of power generation to put 2 and 2 together, or do you need a freaking trade school mechanic to break this concept down more to you?


25 posted on 11/13/2023 9:39:11 PM PST by SPDSHDW (FR is so far in the can that we make the DU idiots look civil sometimes. Hope you’re proud.)
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To: cba123
China has been (rapidly) changing their entire economy to electric power. For years. Yet we are unable?

Apparently, you do not live in a part of the country where reliable power has been replaced with wind farms without adequate backup.


29 posted on 11/14/2023 12:21:02 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: cba123

China as an example. Go Away.


30 posted on 11/14/2023 2:32:49 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: cba123; All

China is build COAL plants at an unbelievable rate. Almost all the smog and pollution on the planet is from China and India. The greenie jerks over here haven’t figured that out yet. And apparently neither has The Stupid Party


31 posted on 11/14/2023 2:44:46 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore)
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To: cba123; E. Pluribus Unum
Nothing personal here, but Communist China is a totalitarian country that wants to limit the ability of its citizens to travel any distance.

It is about control.

It is not about saving the environment, saving energy, reducing the costs of travel, or any other ChiCom blather.

It is about control.

The fact that we aren't in lockstep with Communist China (not for lack of people trying to make the US a totalitarian country) is a positive thing, not something to be embarrassed about.

And you shouldn't be puzzled by it, either.

If this is about a more reliable, less polluting, or cost effective form of transportation, EVs would have arrived on their own, but it is none of those things, most especially not for Communist China. Here, the EV movement is backed by billions of taxpayer dollars we HAVE TO BORROW TO TURN INTO MONEY TO BE GIVEN TO EV MANUFACTURERS. And we are paying almost a Trillion Dollars in interest each year on that money we borrow to push the EV scam.

I know you are all in on EVs, and they may be fine for you. I understand you live in Vietnam, so your circumstances may be different. And that is okay.

But in a geographically large, industrialized country like the United States, putting the cart before the horse (the mandated use of EV before the energy infrastructure is in place) is idiocy of the highest degree. If it were idiocy alone, I wouldn't be alarmed, but unthinking Useful Idiots who fall in behind this and blindly support it are marching in lockstep with those who know damn well what it is all about, and it isn't about making YOUR life better.

It is about making THEIR lives better.

Apart from that, not only is the energy infrastructure not in place-it is not even being planned. That alone should tell you what a scam this is from the perspective of "green transportation".

Ask yourself: How many new Electrical Generation plants are either being built or being planned? Any Nuclear plants? Hydroelectric plants? Gas plants? Oil plants? Coal plants? I don't even include idiotic solar and wind in this discussion because they don't count. They are completely inept at generating useful power at a competitive price without massive government subsidies, and not enough to charge all the EV cars they want to force on us.

Doing this mandated switch from ICE to EV, apart from the totalitarian aspect, only means one thing-economics is going to come into play.

Economics is the allocation of scarce resources that have multiple uses. The scarce resource with multiple uses is electricity. How that finite resource (finite because there are no plans to increase nuclear/coal/oil energy generation facilities to keep up with the demand for this scarce resource.

So, like a battlefield, where the scarce resource is medics and medical care and a lot of wounded, economics is going to come into play and determine how those medics are allocated. It is cold. Expectant patients are denied treatment because it would be wasting a scarce resource with no return.

In this cold, deliberate economic calculus, personal freedom and readily available electricity will be expectant. Your business, which may not be regarded as essential, will fall into that category. We will get electricity whenever there is enough of it to be available. If there isn't, we will get brownouts and blackouts, and we will just have to get used to it.

Green Transportation in Communist China and Vietnam is Coal Powered Transportation.

People who don't consider how this is going to be done in anything less than a totalitarian way are ridiculed by certain people as obstructionist and old fashioned. Even by ostensible conservatives on this forum.

People who believe energy is produced by a ivory-colored plate on a wall with two vertical slots are the ones who should be ridiculed, and soundly. And when people advocate the mandatory implementation of this without a sound and robust plan to increase electricity generation and the infrastructure to carry that electricity to places where it can be used by people, they are demonstrating that they believe the source of electricity is a wall outlet in a house.

37 posted on 11/14/2023 5:00:12 AM PST by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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