Posted on 12/01/2023 10:11:10 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Ever since October 7, people have been struggling to understand how Israel—a nation that’s been on the front lines since its creation (whether in the Bronze Age or 1948), that has a famed intelligence service, and that’s supposed to be bristling like a porcupine against all comers—could have been so vulnerable. Theories have ranged from sexism to a global conspiracy of the elites to Netanyahu being betrayed by leftists within his government to complacency. It turns out that the last two theories probably hit the mark.
Caroline Glick, a political analyst in Israel, has posted an important video explaining what happened. She lays the blame primarily on two generals, focusing on both their conduct before and after the October 7 attack, but the video really is an indictment of the Israeli left, as well as a warning for Americans:
The video is short (about 35 minutes), so I urge you to watch the whole thing if you want to understand how analysts, border watchers, people who audit communications, and a whole host of others in the Israeli military warned of the imminent attack for months and even years without the Israel Defense Forces doing a damned thing to stop it. If you don’t have time to watch the whole video, here’s the short answer: arrogance and complacency. Both these generals she names refused to believe that Hamas, despite the steadily mounting evidence, could or would launch a successful attack.
Part of the problem behind this arrogance and complacency is because of Israel’s generally long stretch of peace. It’s had small, controllable wars over the past 50 years, nothing like the 1947/1948, 1956, 1967, or 1973 wars, all of which Israelis understood were existential attacks.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
All of this would be bad enough. But it becomes even worse when seen in the framework of the 10-month insurgency the Israeli left waged against the Netanyahu government. That insurgency was led by Haliva’s family. His ex-wife and the mother of his children, Shira Margalit, is married to Ilan Shiloah, a senior advertising executive. Margalit and Shiloah stood behind much of the political unrest that Israel has experienced since last year. Haliva’s daughter spoke at anti-government protests. His son’s twitter feed is filled with anti-Netanyahu invective.
Haliva reportedly did not share the mountain of information his professional intelligence corps gathered on Hamas’s plans. But he reportedly repeatedly warned Netanyahu that his government’s legal reforms were emboldening Israel’s enemies and increasing the likelihood of war.
Glick also reports that, during a post-October 7 graduation ceremony within the intelligence division, Haliva refused to accept Netanyahu’s statement that Israel is engaged in an existential war for her survival. Instead, he said, it’s just the usual thing of keeping the streets safe for our citizens, etc. That’ll get the soldiers fighting…
Glick also homes in on—indeed, she opens her video with—the order from the other general she savages, Maj. Gen. Yaron Finkelman, the head of Southern Command. As conquering armies do, the Israeli troops left graffiti in their wake celebrating their victories or God. During the ceasefire, Finkelman, who should have been focusing on replenishing military depletions, forced the troops to go out, at great risk to themselves, to clean up the graffiti, lest it offend the Gazans.
In other words, when faced with a fanatic, well-funded enemy that has been open about its genocidal goals, these generals were not serious men. Instead, they were focused on the leftist narrative, which boils down to “Bibi bad, and Gazans have the potential to be good.”. In that, they reminded me of a Sabra friend who was baffled as to why Arabs hate the Jews. It turned out she was unfamiliar with the Koran’s mandate that they hate and slaughter Jews. She’s lived her whole life in Israel and didn’t know this.
For leftists, narrative is everything, and they will never allow facts to get in their way, even if it kills them (and everyone else).
But before we tut-tut over Israel and turn to another subject, I hope that, as you read this post, you thought to yourself, “Whoa! This sounds remarkably like the American military.”
There was no intelligence failure.
The Israel govt allowed this to happen because they wanted an excuse to do exactly what they are doing now.
RE: The Israel govt allowed this to happen because they wanted an excuse to do exactly what they are doing now.
You’re saying the Israeli government is willing to sacrifice the lives of 1,300 citizens to do what they’re doing now?
Do you have any evidence for this?
Too busy investigating 70yo J6 and MAGA types.
Boy, I bet all the murderer, raped, beheaded and kidnapped victims are not too happy about that.
Murdered too!
The 9/11 videos showing U.S. intelligence failures were a warning for Israel.
“Do you have any evidence for this?”
Yes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
https://www.ft.com/content/277573ae-fbbc-4396-8faf-64b73ab8ed0a
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-downplayed-gaza-threats-egypt-intelligence-official-2023-10
I suppose you think that the US govt had no clue about 911, or all those mass murderers who were already on the FBI watch list either.
I agree with Seek and Find. For such a serious allegation, I’m looking to you for any sort of proof to back it up. Or withdraw your baseless accusation. Your move.
I don’t think this was an intelligence failure any more than our 9-11 was an intelligence failure. Both seem to be mainly political failure to act on what they knew. Israel seems to have the same problem we have - hand-wringing double-minded Leftists who are worried about their politics and “how things will look” that they are in a catatonic state of inaction with intelligence they have about enemy activity.
What exactly are they doing now?
The IDF and Israeli intelligence seem to be as overrated as ours.
I said on 10/7 that the responsibility for this fiasco would ultimately come down on incompetence and complacency. And an unhealthy, delusional reliance on technology over personnel, too.
Fair enough. Thank you.
What do you make of this allegation:
“Caroline Glick, a political analyst in Israel, has posted an important video explaining what happened. She lays the blame primarily on two generals, focusing on both their conduct before and after the October 7 attack, but the video really is an indictment of the Israeli left”
In other words, do you think command authority (Netanyahu) was aware of Hamas’ plans and did nothing so that he could engage in this retaliatory war?
NETANYAHU bamboozled? I doubt it. The facts on the ground are
that Netayahu is fighting tooth and nail for his political life.
To hold onto power, his campaign spiel must convince Israelis (and others) that,
<><>(a) Israel knew about the Hamas attack long before it happened,
<><>(b) that they even encouraged it,
<><>(c) to be able to justify trying out all their new bombs,
<><>to get more US materiel,
<><> to launch a ground incursion to wipeout Gaza, and,
<><>(c) to force Biden to fork over billions of US tax dollars to pay for all of it.
-Gustav Le Bon
Exactly. This administration has exactly zero interest in defending American interests, either at home, or abroad. But we can, and should, learn from Israel's hard lessons on October 7 and after, and study the tactics of the enemy who are certainly within our own borders, and keenly motivated to import the atrocities that they practiced in the Negev to the US. As noted in the linked article:
Israel isn’t just a horror story, it’s a warning. Unless we get a functional commander-in-chief who loves America, we are heading for our own October 7, and the enemy won’t even have to cross the border. Their troops are already here
So if the state won't protect you and your family, you'll have to make plans for yourself. Study the enemy's tactics, his motivation, and perhaps most of all, trust him when he says he wants to kill you and everyone who looks like you. Proper Prior Preparation Prevents P***-Poor Results, as the old saying goes.
Seriously, you don’t really think that do you?
I think in our case, we have a government that is actively trying to destroy the US as we’ve known it and is purposely allowing stuff to happen. it’s ignoring or outright covering up the warning signs.
There are people who are evil incarnate walking among us in positions of way too much power.
“Seriously, you don’t really think that do you?”
Despite the fact that I really do not want to
Bkmrk
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