Posted on 12/02/2023 8:49:37 AM PST by SoConPubbie
Newsom + DeSantis = Biden Echo’s
Correct.
George Stephanopoulos asked the question to Mitt Romney in the January 7, 2012, Republican primary debate.
STEPHANOPOULOS: "Governor Romney, do you believe that states have the right to ban contraception? Or is that trumped by a constitutional right to privacy?"-PJROMNEY: "George, this is an unusual topic that you’re raising. Do states have a right to ban contraception? I can’t imagine a state banning contraception. I can’t imagine the circumstances where a state would want to do so…Given that there’s no state that wants to do so, and I don’t know of any candidate that wants to do so, you’re asking could it constitutionally be done? We could ask our Constitutionalist here..."
STEPHANOPOULOS: "Do you believe states have that right or not?"
ROMNEY: "George, I don’t know if the state has a right to ban contraception, no state wants to! The idea of you putting forward things that states might want to do, that no state wants to do, and then asking me whether they can do it or not is kind of a silly thing."
I don't even think Newsom is hoping for a brokered convention where Biden declines the nomination.
I think Newsom wants Biden to drop Harris from the ticket and install him in her place. Then Newsom hopes that Biden wins and then steps down, elevating Newsom to President without having to run a campaign defending his California record.
-PJ
How come Mitt Romney the great Harvard Law grad, didn’t know about Griswold vs Conn ? He could have referenced it as some sort of diversion or a stall.
Makes my point that a lot of these “brilliant” elites are just overhyped clowns.
“How come Mitt Romney the great Harvard Law grad, didn’t know about Griswold vs Conn ?”
Remember when one of Biden’s nominees for SCOTUS was in hearings and when a GOP (Kennedy, I think) asked him what the Brady Act was, he had no clue?
Romney rejected the premise outright and called out Stephanopoulos as "silly."
-PJ
The first rule of debating with a liberal is to never accept their frame of the issue.
Stephanopoulos wanted to frame contraception as something Republicans want to ban.
Rather than defend the notion that Griswold and other privacy case law prevents states from trying to ban contraception (essentially accepting Steph's frame), Romney discard the question as frivolous, "silly," and something that nobody had ever suggested doing before.
-PJ
Yes, that is the exact exchange I had in mind. That naïve fool Romney was put on his heels by an obvious rat dirty trick. To this day a lot of gullible people believe the GOP has a secret plan to ban birth control hence deceitful the NARAL ad.
I agree with rejecting liberal framing, vacabulary and moral categories.
The problem: the reason why Steph would ask the question is because polling and focus groups told Democrats that this was an issue that potentially had some traction.
So rejecting it as “silly” is a potentially dangerous strategy.
My point wasn’t to cite Griswold as an authority. But just talk about it in general terms, that it existed, some of the legal reasoning, which you agree with, which you disagree with.... baffle them with BS and stall, because it is a bad issue for Romney.
Biden used Griswold against Bork, based on polling by Pat Caddell.
For Romney to get into a protracted debate with Stephanopoulos on contraception would have opened up the "Mormon" question in the same way that JFK had the "Catholic" question. It was a religious attack on Republicans that Romney tried to nip in the bud by deflecting it as silly, because nobody was discussing it.
You have to view it as a personal attack on Romney, disguised as a debate question, with a hidden Democrat negative campaign strategy looking for an opening.
The contraception question was a Trojan horse, pun intended.
-PJ
Ok, that is another vector. Although how well known it is...
I didn’t know about Mormons and contraception.
I don't mean to be rude, but if you're asking how well known the Mormon history is, I think you need to do some personal research.
It's been a point of contention in American history for over 150 years.
-PJ
People on political websites alway overestimate the information and interest that the average voters, especially swing voters or persuadable voters actually posess.
Our political leaders have been replacing natural born Americans with foreigners who wouldn't know these things, as you point out. But you're flying a Canadian flag. Are you an American voter?
I don't mean to be rude (again), but if you're not an American voter and you don't know American religious history, then how can you ccomment on what people do or don't know about it?
-PJ
I’ve seen the polling data.
Or if you want a popular culture expression of it. Watch Jaywalk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJlY9C7YWzI
I hear you. I miss the America of my youth. I’m 67.
Watching old reruns of “Wagon Train’’ and “Perry Mason’’ makes me realize now what I couldn’t then.
The America you speak of and the one I grew up in has vanished.
It sure has vanished- the drug addled, self-entitled “Gimmedat” generation made sure of that.
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