IAN BIRRELL goes to Kyiv to see how moral is holding up. His verdict? Despite mounting casualties, the will to beat Putin burns brighter than ever

Daily Mail ^ | 2 December 2023 | Ian Birrell

[knarf]

NO MORE U.S. MONEY FOR UKRAINE.

[trebb]

Yeah - they’ll never tire of losing their healthiest men ...riiiight?

[ansel12]

What kind of advisors do we have there?

[MrRelevant]

I know right… all those fighting age males lining up to volunteer to fight the ruskies is amazing

[dforest]

Most were brave and also dead now thanks to neocons like you.

[canuck_conservative]

Not me

that thug Putin is the one responsible

He started this unnecessary war, that’s why there’s a War Crimes warrant out for his arrest (notice how he’s afraid to travel to any Western countries?)

[dforest]

This war would have been over almost after it started if it wasn’t for people like you and your whacko cheering it on for nefarious reasons. Ukraine would still be in tact had the filth like Boris and Sloppy Joe stayed out of it.

[silverleaf]

“ mobilization” is not “ conscription”
Different laws, different roles

The mobilized were military reservists and volunteers wiling to sign contracts for service. For very attractive pay.

Conscripts are called up for mandatory military service and can only be deployed outside Russia if a war is declared. Hence the SMO

You really want to believe a million Russian military reservists and former military “ fled” Russia? Russians have said they exceeded volunteer needs and have formed a Third Army Corp of volunteers.

Most of the approx 400,000 mobilized ( volunteers and ex-military) have yet to even be deployed to Ukraine, after months of training to reach combat readiness.

A force in waiting.

Many Uke officials know how dire their situation has become.
Hence the rumors of “Game of Thrones” Uke political maneuvering to replace Zelensky with some authority who can negotiate with the Russians, with or without US approval, is gaining in urgency. The oligarchs who own Ukraine assets and certain political parties, stand to lose what they won’t ever regain, if the destruction doesn’t end soon.

[canuck_conservative]

This war wouldn’t have started at all if it wasn’t for that warmongering thug Putin

[Nifster]

I think you mean moral

[9YearLurker]

Note the title as listed here. I was making a point that I think you missed.

[poinq]

You send missile systems and tanks and F-16s and you don’t send advisors. You send intelligence and you don’t send advisors. You have an embassy and you don’t send advisors?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/11/14/fact-check-us-military-personnel-ukraine-inspectors-security/8262293001/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65245065

Do I have to go on? We had advisors there 5 years ago. We are running the show. Was Vindman there as golfer?

[ansel12]

No advisors, just people at the embassy which is natural and to be expected.

[ansel12]

We don’t have men in the field, just what is it that you think we have people doing?

[ansel12]

Post 34 was for you of course.

[poinq]

We don’t have men in the field, just what is it that you think we have people doing?

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Do you need men in the field? When two destroyers try to kill each other, does a seaman ever leave the ship. America has many men in theater. OK, they may not be in places where they can get hit. Or at least not without a long range missile or a spy. But you have people in the country. You have people just outside the country. You have people in neighboring countries. And you even have people here who can see real-time action from Florida. Your concept of “in the field” matters to no one. The US and NATO are running this war. Ukrainians may be most of the pawns dying in “the field”. That just makes it kind of eerie.

However its not given at all that there are not Americans in the Field. Our military would lie to us if there were. Go to a VA and to people. US Soldiers have been all over the world in conflicts that the military denied being in. The only thing we do know is that our military lies to us on a constant basis. Follow the exploits of Thomas Hall.

[ansel12]

It seems you are just spewing whatever you feel like spewing.

NATO is assisting Ukraine and is not involved in the war as combatants, unlike Russia during Korea and Vietnam when we were in those countries to help, and not invading them.