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Tri-State Closing Arizona, Colorado Coal Plants Early, Investing in More Renewables
Power Magazine ^ | December 2, 2023 | Darrell Proctor

Posted on 12/04/2023 12:27:21 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom

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To: monkeyshine

Yeah you definitely want staged air conditioning. The government would be who decides what stage you are on. If you want to make sure nobody has enough energy put the government in charge of production. If you want your air conditioner to be on when it is cold outside, that is another great job for government. And if you want to stagger air conditioner controls and thermostats you will have to have government involved.


41 posted on 12/04/2023 2:50:23 PM PST by webheart
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It is going to cost another fortune to rebuild something useful after these fools get done and all their abortions are flappering as tatters in the wind.


42 posted on 12/04/2023 2:50:45 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: Sequoyah101

In looking back at when these plants were constructed and went on line then shut down, ours in the Ozarks should be next,, unless they shut the ones down at Muskogee, Oologah, or Inola OK. I bet there are lots of operators of these plants sweating it out.


43 posted on 12/04/2023 3:18:19 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

That is Chouteau, not Inola. The Black Fox nuke plant at Inola was never built.


44 posted on 12/04/2023 3:21:00 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

When did Americans become so stupid?


45 posted on 12/04/2023 3:46:31 PM PST by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell)
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To: TokarevM57

I can accept it when there’s ostensibly debate by and within elective bodies. Where I disagree is an executive agency simulating the democratic process and issuing”rules”. There’s no reason the EPA or ATF should be in a position of pivoting 180 degrees every four years. This just means congress is not operating correctly.


46 posted on 12/04/2023 4:43:14 PM PST by ARW
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Arizona, Colorado don’t recall how investing in more renewables worked out in Texas in the winter.


47 posted on 12/04/2023 4:56:00 PM PST by Vaduz (....)
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To: Sequoyah101

“It is going to cost another fortune to rebuild something useful after these fools get done”

Isn’t that the truth? It’ll be the world’s biggest white elephant. Maybe $1 or $2 trillion flushed down the crapper. Then it’ll take several decades to put Humpty Dumpty back together again...IF there will be anybody left that knows how to do that. Which is doubtful. All the old thermal power engineers will be dead and the world will only have windmill and solar cell experts.


48 posted on 12/04/2023 5:12:18 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: Chgogal

“When did Americans become so stupid?”

It started slow then happened all at once.


49 posted on 12/04/2023 5:13:24 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: george76

Ping

Please


50 posted on 12/04/2023 6:36:05 PM PST by drSteve78 (Je suis Deplorable. Even more so)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The OG&E plants have been on liberal exceptions to emissions for many years now by the state. They are nearly 50 years old. I remember when they were built and big news. I was able to get one of the construction managers to speak at the ASCE student chapter meeting and we got a tour of the plant at Ponca City north of Stillwater.

Few people will remember that coal in the 70s was the answer to the energy crisis. A new kid in town. Before that there were no mines to speak of in Wyoming and surely no unit trains. In this part of the country the trains were a big deal. Novel and new.

The plant at Inola has been given execution stays for quite some time now.

Other than natural gas, I really don't know what we are going to do for power.

In 1982 we opened the valves on a group of new Red Fork wells between Clinton and Weatherford that sold into three pipelines. California was so desperate for natural gas we were selling for $9.35 an MCF. True. The geologist on that job got a new BMW that day but I drilled and completed the well and got paid. I always picked up a huge box of jelly, sausage and egg biscuits at Hardee's for the crews when we perforated or did something special. Really great times. Natural gas sells for between $2 and $3 now. It won't stay that way for long. You can go through a lot of quadrillions of BTUs in gas fired plant and turbine generators. The world is being set up for natural gas to be the last real resort to keeping the lights on when the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine.

For years there was the relic of an old gas fired power plant on the West bank of the Arkansas at Muskogee. It died in the early 70s when natural gas got far to expensive to burn for power. These old plants are scattered about still.

Chemical Engineers weep bitter tears to see natural gas burned. It is just too valuable as a feed stock for that.

We will see shortages of the miracle fuels again. It will be worse this time though. The petroleum industry just gets more and more beat up. More and more restricted and regulated.

We are burying ourselves. One wonders if Gates et al are not creating a market for light modular nuclear like he did with WHO and his vaccines? The queer thing about power and money is how people never do get enough of either one. They also don't give a tinker's damn who they hurt in the process, they are always saved. It is just an evil sickness.

51 posted on 12/04/2023 9:24:18 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: drSteve78

You are added. Thanks.


52 posted on 12/05/2023 3:17:32 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Hospital patients, will suffer greatly


53 posted on 12/05/2023 3:37:12 AM PST by dkGba
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Every decision increases unemployment


54 posted on 12/05/2023 3:37:48 AM PST by dkGba
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