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EPA data shows Rivians are more efficient than Cybertrucks
Electrek.com ^

Posted on 12/06/2023 10:04:27 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III

Following several new documents containing details of the Tesla Cybertruck posted to the EPA’s website, we have been able to better understand the efficiencies the truck will achieve. While Cybertruck should perform better than nearly all its current competitors in the electric pickup segment, the slightly smaller Rivian R1T appears to have it beaten – even with larger wheels and battery packs.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: automotive; cybertruck; epa; rivian; tesla
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This article immediately reminded me that Rivian appears to be the Solyndra of EV trucks. There are dozens of other articles that report Rivian is losing $30,000 for every EV truck sold. The Hussein/Biden Regime has gifted Rivian with millions, if not billions, of taxpayer dollars. Once the money runs out, Rivian will join Solyndra on the ash heap of EV history.
1 posted on 12/06/2023 10:04:27 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III
Just like electric bus manufacturer Proterra...

Biden-backed electric vehicle company files for bankruptcy
By Josh Christenson
Aug. 8, 2023

Of course, the real purpose of these companies is to recycle the money back to Dem pols, not to produce product or profit.

2 posted on 12/06/2023 10:15:39 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Which EV truck sucks less? Who cares? They’re all completely unsuitable compared to diesel


3 posted on 12/06/2023 10:45:20 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Rivian has been in business since 2009. Amazon is a big backer of Rivian, both as an investor and a customer. They aren’t remotely a Solyndra.


4 posted on 12/06/2023 10:49:58 PM PST by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

And ICE trucks are more efficient that any EV truck.

Glad we got that all cleared up.


5 posted on 12/06/2023 10:50:16 PM PST by Boomer (The Long Winter is coming...)
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To: Pelham

Lets see what happens if Rivian gets cut off the taxpayer funded trough and actual has to rely on consumer choice and its own profitability to survive. Its only massive government subsidies that keep the EV industry from a well deserved bankruptcy now.


6 posted on 12/06/2023 10:58:21 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III; ShadowAce; dayglored

Rivians also would appear to have more polygons, 16-bit vs. the 8-bit Cybertruck if you will.


7 posted on 12/06/2023 11:10:35 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Is it too late to buy a Hunter Biden painting and get a green energy grant?


8 posted on 12/06/2023 11:10:57 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

The main problem with buying either truck is then you have to own it.


9 posted on 12/06/2023 11:16:19 PM PST by anton
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Rivian is losing money because they lack scale. Lots of upfront costs and overhead but not enough capacity to deliver and sell vehicles. Tesla lost money for many years too. Ford is losing a bundle on its EV division too. Rivian reported it will be cash flow positive in 2024 (though probably not profitable on EBITDA) and has designed a new battery system for future builds that will save apx $10k per truck. Anyway the real point is scale. If Rivian can triple its sales volume they could probably make some money. Plus they have orders for 100,000 delivery vans for Amazon and other parcel carriers. It’s just my opinion but I think Rivian is a decent bet assuming no majors changes in political or consumer preferences. But there will be other choices like the Ford Lightening too so whether Rivian can keep growing sales volume will be the key.


10 posted on 12/06/2023 11:19:11 PM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

The cybertruck is more of a concept than a commercial product, imho. It has a lot of interesting features. It’s the first car to use “drive by wire” tech. That’s been used in planes for many years but never before in a car. IOW, the steering wheel is not connected to a column or to the wheels. It is computer controlled. You never need to turn the wheel more than 45 degrees left or right the computer extrapolates based on speed how much to turn the tires to get the desired direction. It also turns all 4 wheels as needed. So at slow speed a full left turn on the steering wheel will be interpreted as an attempt to make a u-turn. No need to turn the wheel 3 times around. Just 45 degrees left or right it won’t event go further. Stuff like that make it groundbreaking. Not sure how it will be accepted by consumers - maybe more of a luxury toy than a real work vehicle but the market will sort it out. From here it may influence other vehicles from sports cars to semi trucks. The stainless steel body is also interesting- if overkill. But that’s a bit of a tell that it’s not necessarily built for Everyman but more of a commercialized proof of concept.


11 posted on 12/06/2023 11:29:29 PM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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I just do not see any usefulness for any EV trucks.
I do not like EV at all, but if forced into one, the small commuter car could make some sense.
Driven for ten miles commute daily, recharged at home overnight. That’s about anything which makes sense in EV business.


12 posted on 12/07/2023 1:05:20 AM PST by AZJeep
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To: monkeyshine

Excellent comments.


13 posted on 12/07/2023 1:06:06 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: anton

I see lots of Rivians on the road here in the Seattle area. Pickups and an SUV thing. Every time I see one I’m reminded of the FR article on the guy that was quoted $42,000 to get rid of a minor dent in the rear corner.

The rear quarter panel is integrated with the roof and the other side. Hopefully he was able to get just that area repaired and not get ripped-off by the dealer to replace the entire back end of the truck.

Saw two of the Tesla trucks getting off-loaded from a car carrier last week. And I thought the Rivians were ugly!


14 posted on 12/07/2023 1:24:28 AM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: monkeyshine

Cash flow positive because of operations, or because of cash from loans? There’s a HUGE difference, especially with a negative EBITDA.


15 posted on 12/07/2023 2:47:15 AM PST by Bernard (We honor veterans who fought to keep this country from turning into what it now is. --Argus Hamilton)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

NO.ONE.CARES.


16 posted on 12/07/2023 4:06:05 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

They both suck.


17 posted on 12/07/2023 4:07:43 AM PST by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III
According to the EPA?

The EPA, under RINO Christine Todd Whitman also told people that the air at 9/11 Ground Zero was safe to breathe.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/10/epa-head-wrong-911-air-safe-new-york-christine-todd-whitman

Who would believe anything from the EPA?

18 posted on 12/07/2023 5:07:02 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: 21twelve

It takes years for bystanders to catch up to the characteristics of new technologies.

Eventually, collision insurance will be 10 times for an EV what it is for an ICE vehicle in the same price class. and, underground garages will prohibit EV’s from charging on site or even parking altogether. Taxing authorities will lift the free ride on EV’s and owners will get a bill in the mail that is equivalent to the petrol fuel tax (about $75/gallon or $500 or so. Then the parties is over.


19 posted on 12/07/2023 5:17:42 AM PST by anton
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To: anton

$.75 gallon.


20 posted on 12/07/2023 5:18:45 AM PST by anton
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