Posted on 12/22/2023 3:15:05 AM PST by canuck_conservative
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has signaled that a €50 billion ($55 billion) package from the European Union for Ukraine could pass if his country is exempted from it...
Days earlier, he vetoed the aid package at a two-day summit in Brussels. That move came shortly after the EU came to an agreement on starting membership talks with Ukraine...
Orbán has built strong economic and political ties with Russia but Hungary has condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine and has gone along with a number of EU sanctions packages...
Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar told reporters on December 15 that Ukraine will get its €50 billion aid package with or without Orbán's approval.
"It's possible for the 26 member states to provide the money on a bilateral basis," Varadkar said. "A bit of time and space over the Christmas period might help."...
(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...
"Orban has become a dysfunctional member of both the EU and NATO, either he must go, or Hungary must go."
Who are you quoting?
From the comments section
“We will support Ukraine for as long as it takes” - Biden
Narrative Shift:
"We will support Ukraine as long as we can" - Biden.
still supporting
Russia still hasn’t won
Canadians Waking Up to The Great Replacement A Citizens Watch Report posted only fifteen minutes away....
Russia hasn't won, some say. Ukraine hasn't won, some say. What seems sure is that Canada is losing -- to itself.
Guess you didn’t see that this is a thread about EU aid to Ukraine going thru
It has nothing to do with Canada ... try to stay on topic (if you can)
Orban is not a “Putin ally” what he is is the democratically elected leader of Hungary. As such he looks out for Hungary’s national interest. Imagine that!
--- "Russia still hasn’t won"--- "Russia hasn't won, some say. Ukraine hasn't won, some say. What seems sure is that Canada is losing -- to itself."
5 posted on 12/22/2023, 7:20:38 AM by canuck_conservative
Tell that to the relatives of the more than 400,000 dead Ukranian servicemen.
Canadians should shut up when it comes to discussing American politics.
This thread is about European politics and the Euro aid package for Ukraine
Try to pay attention (if you can)
No thanks
BACKSTORY Ukraine Tried to Tip the 2016 Trump/Hillary Election in Clinton’s Favor
Evidence reveals Ukraine intervened to tilt the election in favor of its own national interests
observer.com, By Michael Sainato, 01/12/17
EDITED—Politico reported the Ukrainian Government dedicatedly worked to aid Hillary Clinton’s
2016 presidential bid. The actions taken by Ukranian government officials included
<><>disseminating false documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption
<><>first announcing they were investigating the matter,
<><>then nervously backing away after Trump defeated Hillary
<><>helping Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.
The supposedly incriminating government documents Ukraine brought forth implicated Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who once worked as an adviser for now-ousted Ukrainian President Viktor F. Yanukovych.
However, the concerns that the Ukranian documents raised weren’t over any quasi-Russian ties the partisan MSM rigorously reported, pushing this narrative 24/7. Rather, the dubious documents raised question about “declared income” that only the Ukraine government was ostensibly privy to WRT Manafort.
The Podesta Group, a notorious lobbying firm co-founded by Clinton Campaign Chair John Podesta, also conducted work for the Ukranian president Yanukovych but was studiously ignored. The Ukranian narrative not only painted Trump as pro-Russian, but also provided the Clinton campaign with a wholly invented “Trump smear campaign” which helpfully reaffirmed Ukraine’s stance “against Russia” and which earned Ukraine billions in US tax dollars.
It was in Ukraine’s best interest to tilt the election in support of Clinton, b/c she strongly advocated for providing Ukraine with billions of US tax dollars in military aid and financial support in order “to fight” Russian separatists then-operating in the Ukraine. Which presents the more recent US financed “Russian invasion of Ukraine” in an entirely new light.
Politico noted that Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American working as a consultant for DNC, met with top Ukrainian Officials in Washington D.C. about “forcing” Manafort’s resignation with the goal of cementing the Ukraine/Hillary narrative that Trump was “connected” to Russia.
Manafort was subsequently jailed and slapped into solitary confinement due to Ukranian efforts.
Both Ukranians, Chalupa, and her sister Andrea, have strongly pushed the anti-Russian narrative on social media.
Shockingly, the Ukranian sisters also advocated that the state electors of “the US electoral college defect from Trump.” The Chalupas’ outrageous elector gambit was ignored but Trump was said to have an “elector scheme.”
The report added, “Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the Trump/Hillary 2016 race strains diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.”
In addition to the Chalupas, the co-founder and CTO of Crowdstrike, the cyber security firm that the DNC hired to investigate the alleged hacks, Dmitri Alperovitch, also serves as a senior fellow to the Washington-based think tank Atlantic Council, which is an openly anti-Russian organization.
The Atlantic Council is funded by Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who is one of the most prolific donors to the Clinton Foundation. The DNC denied multiple requests from the FBI to access their servers, effectively forcing the FBI to rely on CrowdStrike’s assessment of the hacks.
The Ukranian-centered Atlantic Council has propagated anti-Russian sentiment and advocated for bolstering NATO forces in anticipation of a Ukranian military conflict with Russia long before Wikileaks released emails from the DNC and Clinton Campaign Manager John Podesta.
In 2013, the Atlantic Council awarded Hillary Clinton its Distinguished International Leadership Award. In 2014, the Ukranian-biased Atlantic Council hosted one of several events with former Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who took over after pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych’s 2014 removal.
In August 2015, Politico was apparently cued to report that “Donald Trump’s favorable rhetoric to Russia was concerning to Ukraine.” The article stated, “Russia wants Trump for U.S. president; Ukraine is terrified by Trump and prefers Hillary Clinton.”
In response to their preferred candidate losing the election, Ukrainian officials were now scrambling to revert from their lobbying for Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
<><>Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko rushed to sign a $50,000-a-month contract with a US lobbying firm to set up meetings with US officials in the new Trump administration.
<><>Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who paid Hillary to come to Ukraine for a speech, now sang a different tune and wrote an WSJ op-ed Dec 29 in which he argued that Ukraine needs “to make compromises” to establish peace with Russia.
<><>Post-election, Ukranian Pinchuk donated to Trump’s charity to try to gain the same favor and access that his donations to the “Clinton Foundation” afforded him.
<><>“The sole reason the Victor Pinchuk Foundation has reached out to President-elect Trump—as well as other world leaders—has been to promote strengthened and enduring ties between Ukraine and the West,” a spokeswoman for the Pinchuk foundation told ABC News with a straight face.
While past elections in Ukraine have been viewed as proxy battles between the US and Russia, it appears that the 2016 US presidential election faced influence from Ukraine—a beneficiary of billions of US tax dollars—attempting to influence an election outcome biased for Ukraine’s national interests, and its hungering after US foreign aid from 2016 up to and including the “Russian invasion, and into its 2023 beg-a-thons for US dollars.
Factually that is incorrect. Canadians have been very busy telling Americans to pony up more and more for the Ukraine/Russia war, and that "telling" is politics. This is true of a variety of other political themes wherein Canadians lobby the United States. And other nations lobby Canada.
An example: Canada, home to a massive boreal forest, lobbied to limit U.S., EU anti-deforestation bills
Others who probably should have no place in American politics but do: darn near every other nation around this world. Politics -- "getting somebody to spend and do, such that they bear a burden you want them to bear (usually so that you don't have to)."
It's an informal definition, but seems apt. Even for an article by a writer based in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, about a European nation, Hungary, and posted here by a Canuck, such that an American makes this comment..
I don’t think the body of the article really corresponds to what the headline suggests. Hungary is holding firm. By my reading,Mr. Orban is simply saying that if the others want to come up with some other arrangement where they, but not Hungary, give more money to Ukraine, well Hungary cannot prevent that. Which is true, and which is likely what will happen.
As far as kicking Hungary out of either the EU or NATO, that’s not going to happen. Both are blobs that will not see their belief in the inevitability of their expansion challenged. And neither the EU nor NATO has any legal mechanism for expelling members, as far as I am aware. And given that Switzerland and Austria are not members of NATO, Hungary leaving the alliance would bifurcate NATO north and south (except via the very long away around through France and Italy). Unless …. (wait for it) — Ukraine joined NATO. Which my friends is what this war is all about…
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