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Aircraft carrier industrial base facing inflation, material shortfalls, workforce issues: Survey
Breaking Defense ^ | January 18, 2024 at 2:42 PM | Justin Katz

Posted on 01/22/2024 10:10:46 AM PST by Fish Speaker

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To: Gen.Blather

My 20 year 0ld Granddaughter makes $60,000 a year as a 5th year Apprentice Plumber, plus overtime. NO debt.


41 posted on 01/22/2024 12:04:13 PM PST by Little Bill (VN 65 - 68)
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To: Leaning Right

Did George W Bush make the decision to kick out the trades or was it the local education authorities? Seems to me both could have accommodated and should have been! Sounds to me like there was another agenda at work or managerial incompetence or both!


42 posted on 01/22/2024 12:13:41 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: cgbg

https://www.foxnews.com/world/secret-chinese-lab-simulates-hypersonic-missile-attack-us-warships-report


43 posted on 01/22/2024 12:15:05 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Trust no one, who is not a proven and valued/trusty one or a family member or a long time friend! )
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To: Reily

> Did George W Bush make the decision to kick out the trades or was it the local education authorities? <

I know quite a bit about this topic. I was teaching at a public high school when Bush II’s ‘No Child Left Behind’ came into force.

It’s all on Bush. He signed it into law. NCLB tested for math and English only. And woe to the school (or the school district) that did poorly in those tests. Schools that did poorly were humiliated. Officials there got no bonuses and no promotions.

So it was a matter of self-preservation. Those local officials tried the best they could to meet the NCLB requirements. That meant concentrating on what NCLB tested for. Everything else was secondary, including the trades.

Bush II did not wreck the trades deliberately. It was just more stupidity on his part, and on the part of those in Congress who pushed for NCLB. They did not think things through. Typical of politicians.


44 posted on 01/22/2024 12:26:50 PM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Little Bill

Having been a plumber and knowing that women can’t do 100% of plumbing, she must work for someone like a union or construction firm that can cover the weak spots.


45 posted on 01/22/2024 12:37:11 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Leaning Right

And still didn’t work! We continue to fall in math and English scores. I remember reading about some the math curriculum approaches. They seemed to emphasize complexity of method for complexity’s sake then for any pedagogical reason. I seem to remember states or locales could choose to opt out if they wanted but of course they wouldn’t get the federal sugar ($$$) if they did so. The money was too big a draw I’m sure.


46 posted on 01/22/2024 12:37:46 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: Leaning Right

And still didn’t work! We continue to fall in math and English scores. I remember reading about some the math curriculum approaches. They seemed to emphasize complexity of method for complexity’s sake then for any pedagogical reason. I seem to remember states or locales could choose to opt out if they wanted but of course they wouldn’t get the federal sugar ($$$) if they did so. The money was too big a draw I’m sure.


47 posted on 01/22/2024 12:37:52 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: Fish Speaker

IF they can even find material. I have a tiny machine and fab shop and can hardly find the aluminum alloys I need. And when I can it is about 7 times what it was pre chomo Joe.

BUT, as we all know, hiring trannies and unqualified “marginalized peoples” will fix this all.


48 posted on 01/22/2024 12:41:01 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eye)
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To: Fish Speaker

Perhaps a specially designed drone carrier can fill our carrier needs?


49 posted on 01/22/2024 1:19:31 PM PST by exPBRrat
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To: cgbg

I hope so, soon.
It would be unimaginable to lose 5,000 personnel on each carrier — I don’t know the numbers for battleships, cruisers, destroyers etc — I don’t even know if those are still valid ship names.


50 posted on 01/22/2024 1:47:17 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Fish Speaker

I saw the last word “survey” as “scurvey”. I thought well let’s put some OJ on the flight deck!


51 posted on 01/22/2024 1:49:12 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: alloysteel

China has 200 shipbuilding locations...


52 posted on 01/22/2024 6:03:36 PM PST by Does so ( 🇺🇦..."Christian-Nationalists" won WWII...Biden NOT NEXT DNC nominee!)
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To: Leaning Right

” I grew up a few miles from a huge steel mill. That mill rolled battleship armor in WW2. The mill is gone now, and much of the site sits empty. “


In Feb, 2002, the single USA source of ballistic steel was Oregon Steel, which is owned by EVRAZ, a Russian company controlled by Putin Oligarch Roman Obramavitch.

(EVRAZ was going to sell its North American operations, but Obramavich seems to have been exempted from sanctions, and I don’t think it has happened yet)

In any case, the USA imports 30% of steel used, so there have been shortages since the Ukraine war started and sanctions went on Russia, until recently when steel prices fell due to the economy.


53 posted on 01/22/2024 7:28:31 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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That is Feb, 2022...


54 posted on 01/22/2024 7:29:11 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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