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How Things Stand
SteynonLine ^ | February 12, 2024 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/12/2024 5:35:12 AM PST by Twotone

As many of you know, late on Thursday a Washington, DC jury found that

a) plaintiff Michael E Mann had suffered no actual damages from Steyn's National Review post; but

b) ordered defendant Steyn to pay him one million dollars anyway.

Late on Friday, the otherwise lethargic District of Columbia Superior Court entered the jury's verdict in final judgment.

What happens now? Well, in the next few weeks, there will be certain "renewed" motions from defendants that one is obliged to do, although they are highly unlikely to find favor with Judge Irving. After that, the case will be appealed by all parties - loser Steyn because he wants the decision overturned, and winner Mann because he wants the original corporate defendants, National Review and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, put back in the dock. (Irving, the "fifth trial judge", dismissed them from the case a couple of years back.)

The DC Court of Appeals, being the way it is, is likely to accede to Mann's wishes, but not Steyn's. How long that will take is hard to say, but, given the length of the last merely "interlocutory" appeal, it's unlikely to be quick. At that point, Mark will go to the US Supreme Court. A minimum of four out of nine judges is required to grant a writ of certiorari and hear the case. As Amy K Mitchell noted on Friday, one of them, Samuel Alito, grasped the implications of Mann vs Steyn half-a-decade back:

(Excerpt) Read more at steynonline.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: defamation; hockeystick; marksteyn; michaelmann
For those following the Steyn vs Mann defamation suit.
1 posted on 02/12/2024 5:35:12 AM PST by Twotone
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To: Twotone

God bless Mark for soldiering on... and we can pray that God returns his health and gives him good finances to do so.


2 posted on 02/12/2024 6:07:22 AM PST by hecticskeptic
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To: Twotone

How did that huckster Mann get this into the DC courts?


3 posted on 02/12/2024 6:33:40 AM PST by iamgalt
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To: Twotone
I posted this on another thread:

This is eerily similar to the E. Jean Carroll case.

Plaintiff Lied.
Defendant called out the Lie.
Defendant is sued for defamation for calling out the Lie.
Jury awards the plaintiff a ridiculous amount of money for "defamation" even though the defendant did not commit any crime.

To which I'd like to add: The decision was purely political.

4 posted on 02/12/2024 6:49:14 AM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: iamgalt

I’ve wondered about that a lot. Can you just say “We Will Not Respond Because You Have No Jurisdiction”? Mann didn’t live in DC. Neither did Steyn. There should’ve been a way to refuse to comply.


5 posted on 02/12/2024 7:00:00 AM PST by Twotone (We have to stop punishing ourselves for considering things that once seemed crazy. - B. Weinstein)
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To: Twotone

I wish Mark the best of luck, but I fear hw will find no justice in DC (Den of Corruption).


6 posted on 02/12/2024 7:12:57 AM PST by budj (Combat vet, second of three generations.)
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To: budj

Probably not much in the UK either. His Ofcom trial is coming up there soon.


7 posted on 02/12/2024 7:16:00 AM PST by Twotone (We have to stop punishing ourselves for considering things that once seemed crazy. - B. Weinstein)
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To: Twotone; iamgalt

It seems a question of where “the crime” was committed.

As Justice Alito is quoted in the article:

“And when, as is often the case, allegedly defamatory speech is disseminated nationally, a plaintiff may be able to bring suit in whichever jurisdiction seems likely to have the highest percentage of jurors who are sympathetic to the plaintiff ‘s point of view.”


8 posted on 02/13/2024 2:10:43 PM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: Moltke

But since it is around a constitutional issue, it should’ve been in federal court to start with. I’m glad there is a God & he will have the last laugh. It’s hard to watch the lefties torture & destroy conservatives with lawfare.


9 posted on 02/13/2024 2:47:14 PM PST by Twotone (We have to stop punishing ourselves for considering things that once seemed crazy. - B. Weinstein)
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To: Twotone

No, a defamation claim is a civil matter. Constitutional Free Speech is “just” a defensive move.

The mockery of what was supposed to be a nation built on the rule law is deplorable, but there it is, right in everyone’s face.


10 posted on 02/13/2024 5:04:24 PM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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