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Conservative group tells judge it has no evidence to back its claims of Georgia ballot stuffing
MSN ^ | 14th February 2024 | RUSS BYNUM

Posted on 02/14/2024 4:59:51 PM PST by Ennis85

A conservative group has told a Georgia judge that it doesn't have evidence to support its claims of illegal ballot stuffing during the the 2020 general election and a runoff two months later.

Texas-based True the Vote filed complaints with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in 2021, including one in which it said it had obtained “a detailed account of coordinated efforts to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes across metro Atlanta” during the November 2020 election and a January 2021 runoff.

A Fulton County Superior Court judge in Atlanta signed an order last year requiring True the Vote to provide evidence it had collected, including the names of people who were sources of information, to state elections officials who were frustrated by the group's refusal to share evidence with investigators. In their written response, attorneys for True the Vote said the group had no names or other documentary evidence to share.

“Once again, True the Vote has proven itself untrustworthy and unable to provide a shred of evidence for a single one of their fairy-tale allegations," Raffensperger spokesman Mike Hassinger said Wednesday. "Like all the lies about Georgia’s 2020 election, their fabricated claims of ballot harvesting have been repeatedly debunked.”

True the Vote’s assertions were relied upon heavily for “2000 Mules,” a widely debunked film by conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza. A State Election Board investigation found that surveillance camera footage that the film claimed showed ballot stuffing actually showed people submitting ballots for themselves and family members who lived with them, which is allowed under Georgia law.

The election board subpoenaed True the Vote to provide evidence that would assist it in investigating the group's ballot trafficking allegations.

True the Vote's complaint said its investigators "spoke with several individuals regarding personal knowledge, methods,

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 2000mules; 2020election; billgates; bradraffensperger; dissociatedpress; fakeheadline; fakenews; fraud; lyingjournalist; microsoft; msn; msnpropaganda; russbynum; stopthesteal; tds; truethevote; trump; uniparty; voterfraud
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To: Golden Eagle

When’s your next FR vacay coming up, anyway?


101 posted on 02/14/2024 9:31:54 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: Golden Eagle
No my friend, that is the exact point. As I said I’m a bottom line guy, and no evidence has been presented, as you just said. I’ve been patient too, but years have gone by now. I still hope something comes out, but the losing streak is long, and Trump only seems interested in keeping his supporters in line, who have clearly shown they don’t care about the actual court cases. They may think their anger will overcome the rule of law, but history shows otherwise. ‘The reckoning’ as you said is usually for those who defy it.

Trump erred in expecting the courts to do justice. The excuses have come from our judges. Understand that our concept of "due process of law" comes from the Magna Carta: "[w]ee shall not . . . deny or delay Justice and right, neither the end, which is Justice, nor the meane, whereby we may attaine to the end, and that is the law.” That was a prohibition for the King's judge's, not the executive branch as it's used today. So when the court's defy their constitutional obligations to do justice, what is the remedy? If Trump were to suspend habeas corpus and send CJ Roberts to Gitmo, people would cheer.
102 posted on 02/14/2024 9:33:50 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Dr. Franklin
when the court's defy their constitutional obligations to do justice, what is the remedy?

A court’s role is simply to review, and validate, or invalidate, evidence, which is then used to make judgement. As Trump has failed to produce any evidence in support of his claims, the failure on display is not that of the courts.

103 posted on 02/14/2024 9:38:42 PM PST by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them that they've been fooled. )
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To: Dr. Franklin

https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=542617


104 posted on 02/14/2024 9:44:04 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: Dr. Franklin

Our obtuse clown won’t read post #104, because he’s not interested in actual proof - only Talking Points from Marc Elias and Perkins Coie...


105 posted on 02/14/2024 9:45:45 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: Golden Eagle
A court’s role is simply to review, and validate, or invalidate, evidence, which is then used to make judgement. As Trump has failed to produce any evidence in support of his claims, the failure on display is not that of the courts.

And when court's refuse to do that task, i.e., to consider the evidence, or delay it for years, they violate the Magna Carta supra and Due Process of Law.
106 posted on 02/14/2024 9:57:05 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: DoughtyOne

Making provable false claims in court filings is also a crime this organization has already committed based on this article


107 posted on 02/14/2024 10:07:01 PM PST by srmanuel
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To: kiryandil

So they’re claiming drop boxes were illegal? Ok, sure, maybe they were. But that in and of itself doesn’t mean that all the votes, or actually that any of the votes, put in the drop boxes were fraudulent. This wasn’t un-precedented, and previous courts have always sided on accepting votes that were cast unless it can be proven they were fraudulently cast, which has never happened.

Apparently Trump signed into law all the federal money going to the states to implement things like this in light of the covid lockdowns, so maybe he bears some responsibility as well?

You can look at my own FR homepage and see I’ve been skeptical of the 2020 election results since it happened. But since then all I’ve seen is a bunch of whining and crying instead of anything being proven, or done about it. Sorry, but that’s not enough to convince me. Usually whiners and criers are wrong, in my experience, and why I don’t listen to them for long. Hopefully that will change, but I see no evidence of it, and evidence is what counts.


108 posted on 02/14/2024 10:09:23 PM PST by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them that they've been fooled. )
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To: kiryandil
Our obtuse clown won’t read post #104, because he’s not interested in actual proof - only Talking Points from Marc Elias and Perkins Coie...

Trollling! Trolling! Trolling on a river!
With apologies to CCR.
109 posted on 02/14/2024 10:10:33 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Dr. Franklin

One has to petition the court, and present their evidence. On January 7th, 2021 Donald Trump threw in the towel on his ongoing legal cases, refused to open any new ones, and went off to build his website instead. It shocked and disappointed me, and did not instill confidence in his public claims. Not much has changed since then.


110 posted on 02/14/2024 10:16:36 PM PST by Golden Eagle (It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them that they've been fooled. )
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To: srmanuel

It would seem so if this is accurate.


111 posted on 02/14/2024 10:16:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: srmanuel

Don’t like being misled by someone pretending to be on our team either.


112 posted on 02/14/2024 10:18:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: kiryandil
The evidence would be used to go after True The Vote's confidential sources.

Remember during the Tea Party IRS scandal how Lois Lerner's staff gave the Tea Party 501(c)(3) and (4) applications, including major donor names, to their liberal groups for targeting?

True the Vote was born in 2010 out of the suppression of conservative Tea Party affiliated tax exempt groups that were going to build get-out-the-vote programs for Republican candidates and be watchdogs for elections in swing states.

-PJ

113 posted on 02/14/2024 10:25:02 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Dr. Franklin
Lookit him go!

Like the Energizer Denier Bunny!

114 posted on 02/14/2024 10:25:56 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: srmanuel
Making provable false claims in court filings is also a crime this organization has already committed based on this article

This isn't Catherine Engelbrecht's first rodeo with lying government clowns.

115 posted on 02/14/2024 10:29:10 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

As I posted in #115 - this isn’t Catherine Engelbrecht’s first rodeo with lying government clowns.


116 posted on 02/14/2024 10:30:15 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’ve gotten to the point where I think people like Mike Lindell are all grifters until they show real evidence in a court of law of the massive level of voter fraud they claim.

Both have ask for and received millions in donations to expose the fraud and made claims they have all the evidence and when it comes time to prove it in a court of law, they show nothing and lose and in Lindell’s case he’s nearly gone bankrupt selling a fantasy at this point

When you’ve lost every single case in every state since 2020 then it might be time to change your strategy or the classic definition of insanity applies


117 posted on 02/14/2024 10:31:11 PM PST by srmanuel
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To: srmanuel
LOL!

You missed the January 2021 hearing where some black-robed stooge in Georgia let Fani The Fat Incompetent do a song and dance for an hour "dazzling" him with reasons for taxpayers not being able to look at public records paid for by taxpayers.

Turns out she's an incompetent corrupt POS - and he colluded in letting her get away with her BS in a fraud upon the court.

118 posted on 02/14/2024 10:36:50 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: kiryandil
I know. I'm just pointing out the then-recent history of the government taking mandatory confidential information from conservative groups and using it against them "under the table" via illegal disclosures to their own politically-aligned tax exempt groups.

Engelbrecht had good reason to suspect the motives of people who were prematurely asking for confidential or privileged information.

-PJ

119 posted on 02/14/2024 10:42:03 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too
Engelbrecht had good reason to suspect the motives of people who were prematurely asking for confidential or privileged information.

Exactly.

Notice all the people on this thread glossing over that very true fact.

They pretend that corrupt pieces of Democrat feces like Lerner and Fani Willis don't exist.

120 posted on 02/14/2024 10:44:57 PM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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