[hardspunned]

I have no idea if this is how the Abrams was destroyed. Of the massive numbers of tanks on both sides being destroyed, I’ve have yet to see tank on tank battles being responsible. The large majority of destroyed tanks seem to be drone victims. My fear from the beginning was that our Abrams, having been stripped of their most modern, most protected technology would be more vulnerable on the Uke battlefield. What other advanced systems were taken off before the tanks were delivered? The Ukes seem to be in the middle, victimized from both sides.

[rlmorel]

In war, even great battle tank classes are destroyed...in tank warfare, I have always placed as high a value as training, logistics, and tactics, not to mention air cover, although drones do appear to have shifted that scale.

The M1 is an excellent, proven platform. But it is a tank nonetheless.

[Fury]

Unfortunately, there are no winners in this war.

I believe the US was correct in providing armor without the most current protective features. To do that would provide an opposing force the ability learn from live fire conditions how the M1 Abrams can be degraded operationally.

It’s no different that providing F-16 aircraft. Capable, but dated.

[Psalm 73]

I don't think the Ukes are as adept at combined arms tactics - they seem to be using WWII-style tactics.

I believe American units would be deployed differently (mobile infantry, artillery and air support working together).

[LouAvul]

One has to ask how competent their tank crews are. From what I’m reading (on FR), combatants are conscripted and put into battle rather hurriedly. The equipment might be capable but if the crews are inexperienced, that’s a problem.

[linMcHlp]

An example of difficulty, trying to find out what happened.

Denys Davydov 11:11/25:20 at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uSdZzxkGC4
Re Abrams tank hit by Russians. Davydov is relating what he knows, based upon info online, from a pro-Russian source: A Russian tank supposedly shot (”one strike”) at the Abrams.

The Abrams tank was actually hit by 2 Russian Kornet anti-tank missiles plus a few FPB drones - 36:43/1:12:26 at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDGoppLvXko
- 1st Kornet strike
- FPV drones strike
- 2nd Kornet strike

[ClearCase_guy]

We always have confidence in our weapons.
We feel sure that if WE were running the operation, our weapons would be unstoppable.

When I think of many of the people in the US military today, and when I think of our weapon acquisition programs today, I have serious concerns that our weapons are not nearly as good as we think they are. No matter who crews them.

[Yo-Yo]

My fear from the beginning was that our Abrams, having been stripped of their most modern, most protected technology would be more vulnerable on the Uke battlefield.

It's not a fear, it's a fact. The classified armor was removed from the tanks sent to Ukraine (as it is for all export models of the M1) and replaced with standard steel armor.

However, even the depleted uranium Chobham armor on U.S. tanks isn't invincible against a modern tank armor penetrating discarding sabot rounds that both we and the Russians use.

[logi_cal869]

Your concern is so badly misplaced, it’s pathetic.

[rexthecat]

A tank can take a town, but a tank can’t hold a town. Throw drones into the mix, and tanks are obsolete. Aircraft carriers are next.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I remember an old movie BABY BLUE MARINE(1976) in which a soldier is in a bar getting drunk because he has been assigned to a Tank Corps. He was depressed because tanks were the first thing destroyed on a battlefield.

[The Sons of Liberty]

I have no idea if this is how the Abrams was destroyed. ...

Gen Milley-Vanilli and the other Woke Generals have planned and provided the equipment and training, and this is the result:

"Armies prepare to fight their last war, rather than their next war"

[M Kehoe]

Imho, ALL main battle tanks can be killed if not supported by arty, infantry and air superiority.

5.56mm

[Karl Spooner]

It certainly looks like a drone hit it, but the T72 may have hit it first. The Abrams was 3.72 miles away! Anyways, they gave the Russian soldier the Hero of Russia award for it already.

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https://youtu.be/4-h_7cf0EaY?si=1wJgNiASMfIDpdH6

[Paal Gulli]

Nothing to see here; move along:

It had broken a track. Broken tracks are routine but more common when maintenance is slipshod.

And the turret had been turned sideways -- which indicates they still had power -- so the driver could un-ass the AO.

An Abrams with a broken track is a 70-ton pillbox. Which lends the possibility the crew had abandoned it before the tank received the coup de grâce.

[Paal Gulli]

Half of everything being reported from the Ukraine is a lie, regardless which side it’s coming from.

The other half is misinformative. Some premeditatedly so, and the rest for incorrect interpretation, lack of context, of lack of institutional knowledge.