Vatican Denies Pope Francis Called for Ukraine’s Surrender

Breitbart ^ | 03/10/2024 | Thomas D Williams PHD

[MeganC]

Yeah, we got it right the first time.

[NWFree]

Bahahaha he told them to bend over take it up the rump and receive a church blessing lol

[Cronos]

Frankie needs to shut up. And hopefully retire soon

[Cronos]

Frankie has appointed 142 cardinals so far out of the 239 active cardinals.

[Cronos]

Letting Putin keep his ill-gotten gains will only TEMPORARILY stop the bloodletting.

If he gets away with this, he will then turn on NATO countries.

By letting him get away with it, you open the doors to a real world war. Just like letting Hitler get away with his dismembering of Czechoslovakia opened the doors to WWII

[Cronos]

In the case of Ukraine, arguments could be made that its borders were arbitrarily set by Stalin for nefarious purposes. Stalin, it could be said, moved the Donbas region into Ukraine to increase Russian influence in that SSR. At the time, this was not a big deal because Ukraine was itself an SSR within the USSR.

Actually Stalin took away parts

[Cronos]

Indeed, in elections prior to 2014, Russian-speakers in eastern Ukraine voted very differently from Ukrainian-speakers in western Ukraine.

While this is roughly true, it is simplistic - there are Russian native speakers who consider themselves Ukrainian -- Zelenskyy is one of those

[BobL]

“If he gets away with this, he will then turn on NATO countries.”

Link please.

[Cronos]

But, instead of negotiations - and perhaps a plebiscite under international supervision - we got a war. What else would you expect from Putin?

Speaking as a non-Pole who has lived in Poland since 2010 and my observations of ukrainians - Muscowy had already "soft power conquered" them before 2014.

Before 2014 most Ukrainians were pretty "meh" about a sense of nationhood.

Since 2022 this has completely changed.

If Pootie had not invaded, then the Ukrainians would have been assimilated into Muscowy without a shot being fired.

[BobL]

“Just like letting Hitler get away with...”

The only Nazis in this war are on the Ukrainian side.

[bert]

You need to check the news. Russia is defending Hamas with military jets in Syria protecting Iranian assets.

You are now certainly a Hamas war crimes abettor by default association.

[Cronos]

A link to "Russia will attack NATO countries"?

Russia has 'right to war' with 'each and every' NATO country - Medvedev

Russia puts Baltic officials on wanted list due to the “destruction” of monuments to Soviet occupiers

[linMcHlp]

"The only Nazis in this war are on the Ukrainian side."

Not true.

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Neo-NAZI's in Russia

Russia's long history of neo-Nazis - March 23,2022

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The roots of neo-Nazism in Putin's Russia

[In the late] 1990s, when Russia was shaken by a wave of racist violence committed by neo-Nazi skinhead gangs: After Putin's accession to the presidency in 2000, his regime exploited this development in two ways.

First, it used the neo-Nazi threat to justify the adoption of anti-extremism legislation, a longstanding demand of some Russian liberals. Ultimately, this legislation would be used to prosecute Russian democrats.

Second, the Kremlin launched "managed nationalism", an attempt to co-opt and mobilise radical nationalist militants, including neo-Nazis, as a counterweight to an emerging anti-Putin coalition of democrats and leftist radicals.

Moving Together, a pro-Putin youth organisation notorious for its campaign against postmodernist literature, made the first move by reaching out to OB88, the most powerful skinhead gang in Russia.

In 2008-09, the Kremlin was threatened by Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny's efforts to build an anti-Putin coalition of democrats and radical nationalists in Russia.

In response, the Kremlin began to work with Russkii Obraz ("Russian Image", or "RO" for short), a hardcore neo-Nazi group best known for its slick journal and its band, Hook from the Right.

[Cronos]

Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates a dictatorship, fervent antisemitism and racial superiority in its creed along with government control of business.

that is a definition of Putin’s Russia.

[Cronos]

Thanks lin.

bob - you are constantly repeating Putin’s propaganda - next you’ll bring up biolabs (which didn’t turn up even after Russia occupied most of eastern Ukraine and northern Ukraine.

[McGruff]

Like the White House walking back Brandon’s comments when the truth slips out.

[BobL]

“bob - you are constantly repeating Putin’s propaganda - next you’ll bring up biolabs (which didn’t turn up even after Russia occupied most of eastern Ukraine and northern Ukraine.”

Do you guys think the Holocaust really happened? It’s not difficult to find plenty of Western EVIDENCE to support. The following is from a WESTERN, LIBERAL, source (but it is from before the war, so Holocaust Deniers won’t like it):

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

Anyway, the only mention of Biolabs that I know of was by VICTORIA NULAND, your hero.

But too bad, she’s been FIRED, so it’s game over for Ukraine, DEAL WITH IT.

[BobL]

“- - -Neo-NAZI’s in Russia...Russia’s long history of neo-Nazis - March 23,2022”

PROPAGANDA article only sent out AFTER the Ukraine War started...when people started to seriously look into Ukraine’s Nazi problem. And note the dates mentioned, cannot even come close to 2024.

[BobL]

“A link to “Russia will attack NATO countries”?”

Since the West has PROVEN they are part of the war at this point, of course they’re fair game.

But your claim is that this will ONLY happen if Russia wins.

“If he gets away with this, he will then turn on NATO countries.”

So how about a link referring to what you claimed, which was Russia saying that once they win in Ukraine, they will come after other countries?

[xp38]

The Pope has his Kramer moment.