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Boeing 737 Max engine issue will take up to a year to fix, embattled company reveals
NY Post ^ | Mar 16, 2024 | Olivia Land

Posted on 03/18/2024 12:10:46 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: Zhang Fei

no I’m not an aeronautical engineer...but I do think the entire problem rotates around ...”The former CEO was HOPING....”

I do have a hard sciences background...and nowhere in any of my courses was there one on ‘hope” as an approved outcomes process


41 posted on 03/18/2024 4:26:39 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: mo

[no I’m not an aeronautical engineer...but I do think the entire problem rotates around ...”The former CEO was HOPING....”

I do have a hard sciences background...and nowhere in any of my courses was there one on ‘hope” as an approved outcomes process]


Since every new plane design is a moonshot attempt (before Neil Armstrong), hope is a given, whether or not short cuts are taken. By design, corners are cut because project resources aren’t infinite. The key is choosing wisely where compromises are made.The previous CEO went a little too far, costing Boeing all of the profits it had made under his tenure. The board trusted him to draw the line in the right place. Its trust was misplaced.


42 posted on 03/18/2024 4:51:13 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: cp124

A progressive website but nonetheless. Nikki Haley and Boeing insights:
https://www.levernews.com/nikki-haley-helped-boeing-kill-dark-money-disclosure-initiative/


43 posted on 03/18/2024 6:20:10 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

As a BA shareholder I’m not happy with these constant issues.
Fix the problems and what caused them


44 posted on 03/18/2024 6:29:09 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Have you seen Joe Biden's picture on a milk carton?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The “plug” that blew out on the Alaskan 737 confuses me. It was not a design error. It was an assembly error due to missing bolts. I can not comprehend such incompetence by the workers. I suspect this was intentional by one or more of the workers. That is called sabotage if such happened.


45 posted on 03/18/2024 7:41:49 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter-deckhand-oilfield roughneck-drilling fluids tech-geologist-pilot-instructor-pharmacist)
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To: LeonardFMason

“What is the mortality rate for the jab?”

Just make up a number. That’s standard practice when “the jab” is the subject.


46 posted on 03/18/2024 7:52:33 PM PDT by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
United already gave up on the MAX 10 - I’ll bet Delta eventually will, too. That variant may never get certified. Boeing was dumb for not going ahead with the 797 (757 replacement) which is what the airlines really wanted, not a MAX 10.

Now Airbus has so many orders for the A321 NEO and XLR that it will be into the 2030’s before airlines can get delivery. Maybe Embraer needs to start making bigger aircraft.

47 posted on 03/18/2024 8:03:07 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Jet engines, their components, their housings, are naturally vulnerable to physical objects (usually birds), noise, vibration, harshness, cold air, and heat.

“Composite” parts are especially vulnerable.

And, “composite” parts tend to let us know, where they are not durable, not reliable, and should be replaced by parts consisting of more durable material.

That (”then, let us use the durable parts”), is eclipsed by executive, financial, and marketing bosses.


48 posted on 03/18/2024 8:14:02 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: absalom01

The first commercial jet liner was the British De Havalland Comet. Its engines were embedded in the wing for a clean low drag profile, it must have been a bitch to work on for the mechanics. Our new modern high efficiency high bypass engines need a huge intake thus the size of the engine precludes mounting inside the wing.

De Havalland was on its way to dominating commercial jet manufacturing. Due to design errors the Comet had two disintegrate in flight with all killed due to fatigue cracking around the windows from pressurization cycles of the aircraft. The Comet was grounded until this problem was solved. This allowed Boeing to become dominant with the 707.

My first trans Atlantic flight circa 1960 was on a Comet IV. It was a beautiful aircraft for its time. Back then the passengers were gentlemen and ladies. The crew were attentive and gracious. Cockpit doors were not locked and hijackings did not exist. There were no security checks as it was not needed back then. I miss those days.


49 posted on 03/18/2024 8:24:53 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter-deckhand-oilfield roughneck-drilling fluids tech-geologist-pilot-instructor-pharmacist)
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Boeing was dumb for not going ahead with the 797 (757 replacement) which is what the airlines really wanted, not a MAX 10.

Do you have any more material on this? I find it fascinating. I mean did they think "software" would just work out the kinks? Horrifying the lives they've been willing to put at risk for their scammy engineering schemes. Decisions have been nothing short of murderous in scope. People need to be held accountable.

50 posted on 03/18/2024 10:02:43 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

How long till they fix the door popping out?


51 posted on 03/19/2024 1:21:01 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: mo
I do have a hard sciences background...and nowhere in any of my courses was there one on ‘hope” as an approved outcomes process.

Curiously, 'hope' does have an application in the computer sciences. We call it a 'Scientific Wild-Ass Guess'. 😊

Of course, I'd also note that the Computer Sciences should more accurately be called the Computer Arts. Once an application reaches a certain level of complexity, a given change may or may not have the desired effect, and may or may not have deleterious side-effects.

52 posted on 03/19/2024 1:32:34 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We are so screwed. We are so screwed. We are so screwed. We are so screwed. We are so screwed.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
This video sums it up pretty well:

Will There Ever Be A Boeing 797?

But it's really too late for Boeing to fix the mistake - most airlines have already ordered the Airbus A321 XLR.

53 posted on 03/19/2024 6:24:53 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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Yeah - I’ve flown on more 737 aircraft than any other (though Embraer ERJ is rapidly catching up).

What made Boeing think that “redesigning” the 737 would be a good idea - when it was stretched well-beyond its design parameters? What kind of engineer would sign off on such an idea - then play the cover-up game for the problems that inevitably came?

My suspicion - it wasn’t just about $, but also about unqualified people (DEI hires?)


54 posted on 03/19/2024 7:27:37 AM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: cpdiii
You may very well be correct. Boeing has now said that all the maintenance logs of who performed the installation of that plug have gone awol.

Basically, they don't even know the names of the maintenance team that did that plug installation.

55 posted on 03/19/2024 7:40:20 AM PDT by CodeJockey
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To: CodeToad

I see you own the RETARD label.

It used to be the Liberal playbook to attack big business. Now it is common on FR. Go figure.

AGAIN. If a MILLION people LIVED through a 737 MAX flight, how many, of that million have died.

Please provide an answer instead of ignoring it.


56 posted on 03/19/2024 10:14:49 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: cpdiii

The Comet still looks futuristic to me today. Beautiful bird.

Those old turbojet engines could be kinda loud tho.


57 posted on 03/20/2024 7:30:07 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“hope” was an acceptable part of the business plan for an airplane building company in 1918.

In 2018, “hope” as the basis of an airliner construction process may well be grounds for a shareholder lawsuit


58 posted on 03/21/2024 9:15:49 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Another Boeing emergency: Delta Airlines 737 plane makes emergency landing after one of the engines caught fire moments after taking off in Aruba - 03/20/2024
59 posted on 03/21/2024 9:48:15 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; 04-Bravo; 1FASTGLOCK45; 1stFreedom; 2ndDivisionVet; 2sheds; 60Gunner; 6AL-4V; ..

AVIATION PING!.......................


60 posted on 03/22/2024 5:38:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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