NYC pols urge Albany to OK tax break for ‘green’ mandate that could cost co-op, condo owners $20K

NY Post ^ | 03/17/2024 | Carl Campanile

[ChicagoConservative27]

New York City Council members feeling the heat from thousands of angry co-op and condo owners are urging state pols to OK tax breaks over a new “green” mandate that could cost more than $20,000 per unit.

The City Council had actually approved the mandate, the Climate Mobilization Emissions Law, in 2019 requiring residential buildings to initially curb their greenhouse gas emissions by 40% and ultimately by 80% by 2050.

But as the Big Apple’s already-financially-pressed residents flood members with complaints about how much more the regs will cost them, local pols are turning to Albany for help, seeking their approval on proposed related city tax breaks.

The council and mayor have control over property-tax rates but not over the type of proposed breaks involved here, which must be approved by the legislature and Gov. Kathy Hochul.

[ChicagoConservative27]

Embrace the suck losers

[Frank_2001]

They will STILL vote for the same Dem politicians, every single time!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬

[FreedomPoster]

These are hi rise condo residences that use natural gas boilers to produce hot water for heating in Winter. Probably for domestic hot water year round as well.

As someone who has designed mechanical systems for large buildings, I am here to tell you that retrofitting these building for heat pumps will be quite difficult, and perhaps practically impossible.

This should be fun to watch.

You can’t legislate basic Physics, Thermodynamics, Combustion, Heat Transfer, etc. It’s like legislating Pi = 3. It simply doesn’t work, despite putting it into law.

Words to live by:
https://www.wavsource.com/snds_2020-10-01_3728627494378403/tv/simpsons/homer/laws_of_thermodynamics.wav
(Turn your sound on)

[metmom]

Keep electing democrats.

Idiots.......

Don’t they realize that the democrat answer to EVERY problem is to throw more money at it, meaning more restrictions, less freedom, and higher taxes.

[Stosh]

The idiocy of this policy has been written about extensively in the “Manhattan Contrarian” - see, for example: https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2023-11-28-some-more-energy-reality-in-new-york-city

[Ge0ffrey]

Just repeal it.

[Tell It Right]

Ignore the “tax break” in the headline. The article says it’s a fine for “residents” of “buildings with more than 25,000 square feet” (so not the renters themselves paying the fine directly, but the building owners paying the fine) if they don’t switch from heating oil and gas to electric by 2030.

[rockvillem]

You can’t legislate basic Physics, Thermodynamics, Combustion, Heat Transfer, etc. It’s like legislating Pi = 3. It simply doesn’t work, despite putting it into law.

Well put! And also the sort of critical thinking that they're deliberately trying to prevent people from developing.

[TonyinLA]

Greedy owners. They want to kill the planet. It’s an insurrection to complain.

Why don’t they just move into the Waldorf? It’s free. And its good enough for the real americanos that built this country who just crossed the border, so it must be good enough for them. Or maybe they can ask the nat’l guard-nonbinary bipedals if they could sack out on the subway. They can also liberate their building supplies from the local Home Depot, if there’s one still open. Don’t need money, so learning how you were born in the wrong body instead of math is just fine.

What a bunch of whiners. They got exactly what they wanted.

[TonyinLA]

Found the Solution!

As housing costs skyrocket, Sedona will allow workers to live in cars.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2024/03/15/sedona-approves-safe-parking-for-workers-living-in-cars/72958830007/

[hanamizu]

I am here to tell you that retrofitting these building for heat pumps will be quite difficult, and perhaps practically impossible.

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Comrade, heat in the winter and hot water are bourgeois luxuries that we must be willing to sacrifice for the good of our beloved planet. As we advance to living like our ancestors hundreds of years ago, our descendants will be grateful to us as they shiver and stink.

[FreedomPoster]

Yes, that’s pretty much where all of us here are headed, and anyone not a member of the Inner Party.

[skinny old man]

You’re right about heat pumps.They’re OK for individual homes
in the south,but certainly not capable in the north in the
winter.

[DUMBGRUNT]

—”This should be fun to watch.”

Any owner of a pre-1990 apartment/building would be better off setting the building on fire and becoming homeless.

20k $ per unit? A joke.
Asbestos abatement and patching alone would consume that in a union environment.

Heat pump window units?only $1000/ window unit, NOT INCLUDING the new metered electric service to each unit; price to be determined.$$$

A commercial heat pump, or three or four to replace the existing gas boiler. Most (NOT ALL) only supply 130 F, a bit short of the 180F of the gas boiler. Lots of extra blankets??? The building may not freeze, but you will.

And new building electric service for the new commercial heat pumps$$$

NB; The legendary efficiency of a heat pump disappears as the outside temperature drops below 20F (Check your COP curve) Do not look at your electric bill if you have a weak heart in cold weather.

Burn them down and claim to be white Hispanic.

[GailA]

BTT