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Google Has Been Ratting Out YouTube Viewers to the Feds
Hotair ^ | 03/24/2024 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 03/24/2024 9:10:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

You really need to keep an eye on the Department of Injustice these days because you never know what they're up to. The latest example comes to us from Forbes this week. It involves Google and a collection of YouTube videos that have attracted the attention of the feds. It's not just the creators of the videos who are of interest, however. Forbes uncovered warrants showing that the FBI had demanded user data on everyone who watched particular videos. We're talking about tens of thousands of viewers in some cases. It remains unclear how many of these cases resulted in Google turning over the user's data, but it's almost certainly a non-zero number. The company has yet to offer specifics about compliance, but they claim to be making changes that will make it more difficult for user data to be vacuumed up on a massive scale in that fashion. 

Federal investigators have ordered Google to provide information on all viewers of select YouTube videos, according to multiple search warrants obtained by Forbes. Privacy experts from multiple civil rights groups told Forbes they think the orders are unconstitutional because they threaten to turn innocent YouTube viewers into criminal suspects.

In a just-unsealed case from Kentucky reviewed by Forbes, undercover cops sought to identify the individual behind the online moniker “elonmuskwhm,” who they suspect of selling bitcoin for cash, potentially running afoul of money laundering laws and rules around unlicensed money transmitting.

In conversations with the user in early January, undercover agents sent links of YouTube tutorials for mapping via drones and augmented reality software, then asked Google for information on who had viewed the videos, which collectively have been watched over 30,000 times.

Some of the video feeds in question were livestreaming public places where the swatting of police officers had taken place, so perhaps there was justification for investigating those. But others were instructional videos or tutorials. In one of the examples above, content creators published videos showing how to generate maps using a drone and some AI software. Without saying why, the feds demanded the names, addresses, telephone numbers, and user activity of everyone who watched the videos during a particular range of dates.

That example seems particularly egregious. People might have any number of reasons for watching such a video. While I'm sure it could be put to some nefarious purpose, some people might simply want to generate a cool map of their neighborhood. Others might find the technology interesting even if they don't own a drone. Either way, just watching a video doesn't offer evidence of anything. The act of watching shouldn't put you on a list of potential criminal suspects.

Not all that long ago, I watched a video on YouTube showing someone attaching a (simulated) bomb to a drone. I looked it up as part of my research into a story about the Houthis. Did I wind up on the FBI's "naughty list" and did Google turn over my data to the feds? Should I be expecting a knock on my door in the near future? Of course, now that I stop to think about it, I research so many crazy topics as part of my job that I'm probably on any number of lists that law enforcement keeps.

Google is claiming that they aren't part of the problem in all of this. Their spokesman told Forbes that the company has a rigorous policy intended to "protect the privacy and constitutional rights of our users while supporting the important work of law enforcement.” But that sounds like they're trying to have it both ways. Did they turn over the data of the users who watched the drone-mapping video? They're not saying.

Google is also frequently called on to provide user information for people who are caught up in geofencing investigations. (That's when the government wants the identity of anyone using a mobile device that enters a particular area at a given time, presumably where a crime has taken place.) That might be an effective way to narrow down a list of suspects, but it also vacuums up the data of hordes of other people who simply happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. What happens to all of their data? We're unlikely to find out from the government any time soon. Google claims that a change to their system will make such geofencing searches impossible in the future. (So much for "the important work of law enforcement" I guess.) This is all very worrisome to online privacy activists and the rest of us should be concerned as well.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arrestgarland; arrestsundarpichai; destroygoogle; doj; google; internet; spying; suegoogle; sundarpichai; surveillance; youtube
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1 posted on 03/24/2024 9:10:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought that Google were the Feds?


2 posted on 03/24/2024 9:14:33 PM PDT by Delta 21 (If anyone is treasonous, it is those who call me such.)
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To: Delta 21

... And Facebook


3 posted on 03/24/2024 9:16:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“So, what does this mean for you? I guess as we already know, anything you view online can be subpoenaed by the government. Even if what you are viewing has nothing to do with illegal activities, you may be considered “part of an investigation” merely by association with another content creator or contributor.”

https://www.mdshooters.com/threads/feds-ordered-google-to-unmask-certain-youtube-users.282915/


4 posted on 03/24/2024 9:37:42 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: SeekAndFind

Well good grief - just because you come across a video doesn’t even mean you believe or support what was in it. Heck, you could leave a computer on to go to the bathroom if you YouTube up and it autoplays a video it selects itself you never even knew played.


5 posted on 03/24/2024 9:44:43 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: SeekAndFind

Good! I watch Russian metal detectorists on YouTube who go to WWII sites within Russia, and dig for relics. They’ve also recovered parts of downed planes, and have even repatriated German and Russian soldiers and pilots. It’s amazing the stuff they find. Depending on the environment of the soil and water, some of the items they find look like they were made yesterday. That ought to send the Feds in a tizzy.


6 posted on 03/24/2024 9:58:03 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: SeekAndFind

Personally, I suspect that google and the Fed and AI tools from both have
teamed together to remove narrative resistant free speakers from the national discussion.
Youtube has been even more weird than normal lately, with lots of people wondering why they’ve just been removed.
Facebook, too. Meanwhile, Musk mentioned some time ago, that the Feds had backdoor code in Twitter.


7 posted on 03/24/2024 10:11:32 PM PDT by EasySt (Say not this is the truth, but so it seems to me to be, as I see this thing I think I see. #MAGA-A)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, there goes the competition.


8 posted on 03/24/2024 10:25:20 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Delta 21

THEY ARE!

And they are up to NO GOOD!


9 posted on 03/24/2024 10:38:20 PM PDT by 5th MEB (1)
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To: SeekAndFind

What if you watched the video because Google suggested it to you?


10 posted on 03/24/2024 10:48:52 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago. Now with "Formal Deprogramming")
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder how many Feds are on this board monitoring our posts?

They have the most extensive surveillance system in the world. Every keyword they are on the lookout for is logged. They probably have a file for every user here.


11 posted on 03/25/2024 12:14:13 AM PDT by sketchboy (America has lost her way)
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To: SeekAndFind

1984 on steroids...


12 posted on 03/25/2024 12:35:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I watch videos that give the truth about the Ukraine War (otherwise I might take the Zeepers seriously), should I be worried?


13 posted on 03/25/2024 1:07:47 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: SeekAndFind

Soon they’ll come for those troublemakers who watch gardening videos.


14 posted on 03/25/2024 1:11:06 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (You can't remove RINOs by voting for them!)
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To: sketchboy

“I wonder how many Feds are on this board monitoring our posts?”

We have accounts which often drop off for MONTHS, and in some cases, years - argue one issue, usually defending some priority of the Democrats, and then drop off again. Thankfully, since everyone’s posting history is public here, it’s not hard to identify these accounts.


15 posted on 03/25/2024 1:11:42 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Republican Wildcat

autoplays a video it selects itself you never even knew played.

True and they do not show up in History either. I usually grab a nap watching some vids and who knows what all plays after the initial selection...


16 posted on 03/25/2024 2:22:40 AM PDT by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The feds will have a field day with my searches. I love hard crossword puzzles and never look at the solutions. I duck-duck and research the topic instead of cheating. You’d be surprised what rabbit holes you go down looking for obscure trivial facts. It’s also quite educational.

EC


17 posted on 03/25/2024 4:39:42 AM PDT by Ex-Con777
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To: SeekAndFind

The SS is back. Cool.


18 posted on 03/25/2024 4:40:14 AM PDT by vespa300
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To: SeekAndFind

Speaking of Google and YouTube, for anyone who didn’t know this: If you use a Super Chat to send any Tuber money, Google gets 30% of your donation.

Just an FYI.

There are YouTubers whose work I really value, but I won’t donate using a method that gives Google a 30% cut.


19 posted on 03/25/2024 4:45:24 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: mewzilla

And a note to YouTubers who fundraise using Super Chat: I have yet to see any of you mention that Google is taking a 30% cut of what people donate.

I only found out because, not being an idiot, I went looking.

Why don’t you come clean with your viewers, YouTubers?

Google got your tongue...?


20 posted on 03/25/2024 4:49:39 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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