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The West Needs a War Footing
The Wall Street Journal ^ | March 28, 2024 | Anders Fogh Rasmussen

Posted on 03/31/2024 11:23:44 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Two years after Russia invaded, Ukrainian forces are outgunned. Russia has a 6-to-1 ammunition advantage along the front lines. If this persists, Vladimir Putin’s ambitions will become a reality.

The imbalance in weapons supplies is a major failure of Ukraine’s allies in the West. North Korea delivered as much artillery ammunition to Russia in one month as the European Union has been able to deliver to Ukraine in one year. Russia produces three million shells a year, while the U.S. and Europe combined are able to produce only 1.2 million for Kyiv. Despite the vast economic might of the democratic world, we are being outproduced by an arsenal of autocracy in Russia, Iran and North Korea.

If Western allies don’t immediately ramp up the supply of weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, the future will be bleak. If Mr. Putin isn’t stopped in Ukraine, it will mean decades of instability and conflict in Europe. We need to wake up to that danger and put our economies on a war footing.

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To: DesertRhino
More importantly the government of Ukraine that was party to that was dissolved in 2014 when it was overthrown by a Nazi putsch.

Kinda lost you when you said the Nazi part. 🤔

61 posted on 03/31/2024 1:53:31 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

How can you be on a war footing when your military is woke centric?


62 posted on 03/31/2024 1:54:33 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

How about a 72 hour ceasefire for Easter?

5.56mm


63 posted on 03/31/2024 1:57:44 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go. )
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To: MinorityRepublican

WSJ is close on some points and way off base on others. Yes we do not have the production facilities to produce what Russia does. Thank Billy Jeff for that one when he consolidated and shutdown many of the facilities. Right now we only have one small arms production facility when we had them scattered all across the country back in the day. Now Putty is not going to invade Europe unless he is provoked. He took what he wanted from Ukraine for the warm water port and supply routes in and out back to Russia. Ukraine has strong ties to Russia regardless who the CIA installs as the marionette. Ukraine cannot get people to volunteer but they can conscript them which is not a great way to fight a war. You have a choice to go forward or get shot in the back.


64 posted on 03/31/2024 2:07:03 PM PDT by Slingwing
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To: Slingwing
Ukraine has strong ties to Russia

The U.S. has historical unity with England. Yet we don't want to be ruled by the Parliament in London.

65 posted on 03/31/2024 2:12:25 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

No it doesn’t.


66 posted on 03/31/2024 2:13:35 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: MinorityRepublican; ComputerGuy
Pursuant to the Budapest Memorandum on security assurances, there was a commitment that any arising situation would be brought before the UN Security Council.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non­Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

Ukraine was assured that UN Security Council consideration would be sought. It was sought. As everyone knew, Russia held a veto on any action by the Security Council.

67 posted on 03/31/2024 2:21:33 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: MinorityRepublican
[Article] Two years after Russia invaded, Ukrainian forces are outgunned. Russia has a 6-to-1 ammunition advantage along the front lines.

When did the situation change?

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/31/7365546/

Russian Federation will run out of shells, artillery and armoured vehicles by year end

Wednesday, 31 August 2022, 17:07

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7ej4w/russian-soldiers-are-attacking-ukrainians-with-shovels-uk-intelligence-says

Russian Soldiers Are Attacking Ukrainians With Shovels

UK Intelligence Says Russia is running out of ammunition, and some of its troops are relying on an iconic 19th century weapon of war.

by Matthew Gault
March 8, 2023, 12:18pm

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4215544/posts

LIVE STREAM-UKRAINE ENCIRCLES RUSSIAN ARMY! Breaking Ukraine War Footage And News With The Enforcer (Day 713)

Youtube.com ^ | 2-6-2024 10:00 p.m. EST | The Enforcer

Posted on 2/6/2024, 9:57:31 PM by UMCRevMom@aol.com

2-6-2024 10:00 P.M. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klJ-ldtx1jg

Ukraine has encircled a large portion of the Russian army in Avdiivka, and are currently wiping out the forces in the pocket and taking Russian POWs.

[...]

The Russians had run out of shells, artillery and armoured vehicles by the end of 2022. In February, the Russians were encircled, desperate, and without hope.

What happened?

[Article] If this persists, Vladimir Putin’s ambitions will become a reality.

Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!... It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'. Who's with me? Let's go! Come on!...

68 posted on 03/31/2024 2:26:51 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: Slingwing

The West doesn’t just face Russia in Europe, it faces China as well and while the Russian threat has been neutered for awhile as they need years to rebuild their difficult and almost impossible to replace weapons such as ships, hi-tech aircraft, and armor and artillery, etc. while dealing with holding onto what they are fighting for and pacifying whatever they succeed in conquering, China is growing its global war machine and bases, and capabilities.

Some here are so passionate about making the case for Russia’s invasion and against the West and American military readiness that they have decided that China isn’t a threat either, and that none of this has anything to do with being prepared for China, or even how having Russia so tied up and weakened in its ability to fight first tier militaries hurts China’s ability to tie up NATO assets if we have to fight them, and also how those NATO assets have grown greatly and are growing now as the West is forced to rediscover and supply its war fighting needs.

The West and the Pacific allies and friends have grown closer and have increased military budgets, bases, cooperation, training and weapons manufacturing since Russia’s war launch, NATO is recognizing that it will not be left out of a China war and is taking steps to participate in the Pacific defenses and other areas if war with China breaks out.


69 posted on 03/31/2024 2:27:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: MinorityRepublican

You can all scream and cry but we should ALWAYS be prepared for war with our potential adversaries.
That is a conservative position and always has been.
Regardless of whether you want to give Ukraine a nickel.

Anyone who thinks we shouldn’t be prepared is nuts, and a leftist.


70 posted on 03/31/2024 2:40:03 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: ansel12

Absolutely correct thank you. Has nothing to do with Ukraine.


71 posted on 03/31/2024 2:41:18 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: ansel12

May be nastiness in your opinion but he isn’t wrong. We screwed up between 1992-1995bwhen making Russia an ally and part of the west was possible. We chose to keep them as the boogie man for our MIC. The real enemy has and always will Islam and Han Chinese followed by NK.


72 posted on 03/31/2024 2:41:30 PM PDT by wgmalabama (Censored!)
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To: DesertRhino

Being prepared for war prevents war. Always has always will.
Weakness causes wars as it has since the beginning of time.


73 posted on 03/31/2024 2:44:28 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: wgmalabama

Constant ranting at people with name calling is nastiness.

And it is pretty hard to face China and North Korea, Iran, and Russia without an MIC.


74 posted on 03/31/2024 2:44:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: M Kehoe

Easter ceasefire? We attacked Okinawa at dawn on Easter Sunday. George Washington crossed the Delaware on Christmas day to attack the Hessians/Brits.

Hopefully Putin hits the Kiev Putschists with another missile barrage!


75 posted on 03/31/2024 3:26:40 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: MinorityRepublican; ConservativeMind
In exchange for giving up its nuclear arsenal, Ukraine initially sought legally binding guarantees from the US that it would intervene should Ukraine’s sovereignty be breached.

The United States joined with Russia to tag team Ukraine to give up the nukes in order to receive international recognition. Nobody wanted a Yugoslavia with nukes. Only Russia had the codes, and the missiles were targeted at the U.S. The missiles had a minimum range of 5,000 Km and were not much use for targeting Russia unless they wanted to hit something 5,000 Km east.

According to V. Vasylenko, “Ukraine had to give up nuclear weapons for it to become sovereign state and its independent status to be recognized all over the world.”

Ukraine's forgotten security guarantee: The Budapest Memorandum

DW News [German]
Date 05.12.2014

[Excerpts]

Twenty years ago, the Budapest Memorandum marked the end of many years of negotiations between the successor states of the Soviet Union and leading Western nuclear powers. Ukraine had a special place in the talks.

After the collapse of the USSR in 1991, the eastern European country inherited 176 strategic and more than 2,500 tactical nuclear missiles. Ukraine at that point had the third-largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world after the United States and Russia.

But Leonid Kravchuk, then the president of Ukraine, told DW that was only formally the case. De facto, Kyiv was powerless.

"All the control systems were in Russia. The so-called black suitcase with the start button, that was with Russian president Boris Yeltsin."

Western pressure

Ukraine could have kept the nuclear weapons, but the price would have been enormous, Kravchuk says. Though the carrier rockets were manufactured in the southern Ukrainian city of Dnipropetrovsk, the nuclear warheads were not. It would have been too expensive for Ukraine to manufacture and maintain them on its own.

"It would have cost us $65 billion (53 billion euros), and the state coffers were empty," Kravchuk said.

Additionally, the West threatened Ukraine with isolation since the missiles were supposedly aimed at the United States. Therefore, "the only possible decision" was to give up the weapons, according to Kravchuk.

[...]

"Nowhere does it say that if a country violates this memorandum, that the others will attack militarily," said Gerhard Simon, Eastern Europe expert at the University of Cologne.

German journalist and Ukraine expert Winfried Schneider-Deters agrees, telling DW, "The agreement is not worth the paper on which it was written."

Nobody ever volunteered to guarantee Ukraine boots on the ground military support.

The real purpose of the Budapest Memorandum was to give the Ukrainian politicians just enough political cover so that they could sign away the nukes they could neither use nor maintain. Russia and the U.S. refused to recognize Ukraine until it happened. The specific requirement mandated was that Ukraine join the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as a non-nuclear nation before recognition.

Ukraine had already signed the Lisbon Protocol of 1991, along with Belarus, Kazakhstan, the U.S. and Russia (PROTOCOL TO THE TREATY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS ON THE REDUCTION AND LIMITATION OF STRATEGIC OFFENSIVE ARMS).

76 posted on 03/31/2024 3:29:18 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: Williams

Yeah yeah,,, we keep hearing that old saw. But these days that’s a cover story for the crowd that has a war-fetish. Lack of preparedness for war has not caused today’s wars.
We account for around 40% of the world’s defense spending. We spend 26 times what Russia does. We spend more than the next seven nations combined. We have 11 nuclear fleet carriers. Our deck space is double that of all other nation’s carriers combined.

You know what else causes wars? A government constantly horny for confrontation and hell bent on global domination and that they should choose the leaders of every other government on earth.

We are utterly armed to the teeth, we are not so weak that suddenly everyone finds it provocative. It’s the opposite. Our worldwide belligerence, insults, disdain and our global demands for submission of everyone else causes the wars of today.


77 posted on 03/31/2024 3:42:34 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: MinorityRepublican

What the West really needs is a US Deep state that does not go around meddling in other countries seeking to start wars.


78 posted on 03/31/2024 3:44:12 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Williams

And the war fetish of the elites is only about money and coercive power. It has nothing to do with “protecting America” or anything else. They laugh at how easy it is to dupe and manipulate morons with a movie here and there, etc. It gets lesser minds to cheer everything military because it reminds them of their good old days in the service, decades ago during the cold war.


79 posted on 03/31/2024 3:46:59 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: Shady
“By design?”

I don't know; maybe.

The deep state has certainly put the screws to industries they don't like never thinking they might want to have the capacity for their side at some point. Image a roomful of young AOCs making a decision about how high an environmental burden must be incorporated into any new cellulose or nitrocellulose production plant.

And then there is the matter of stupidity.

80 posted on 03/31/2024 4:08:40 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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