Posted on 04/03/2024 4:31:16 PM PDT by RandFan
LOL. Lincoln must have learned from FDR. LOL.
Read about the 24 hours before Fort Sumter. The Confederate generals and the Union generals were messaging back and forth in that timeframe and it (Ft. Sumter) was not suppose to happen
Seward messaged Campbell enigmatically "Faith as to Sumter fully kept; wait and see...."
Notably, Seward had Lincoln sign orders for a Lieutenant to relieve the Captain on the flagship, the Powhatan, deliberately withholding knowledge of same from the Secretary of the Navy. The Lieutenant set got underway with the flagship, loaded up with British coal, painted out the name of the ship, opened his orders at sea, meandered about the Atlantic and proceeded to Florida. Seward/Lincoln had assured that the mission to Sumter would not land troops; those were aboard the Powhatan. The Confederates knew that practically the entire U.S. Navy had been sent their way, and did not know about the subterfuge with the Powhatan.
The Life of William H. Seward, 2 Volumes
by Frederic Bancroft
Harper and Brothers, Publishers
1900
Volume 2, Chapter XXIX is "Seward's Struggle for Supremacy" and goes into the leadup and then expeditions to Sumter (South Carolina) and Pickens (Florida).
At page 140-41 [pp. 151-2 of the PDF file] we have Seward's famous message to the Confederate commissioners, "Faith as to Sumter fully kept; wait and see...."
During the first days of April Seward's communications with the Confederate commissioners came to a climax. After April 1st the reports that hostile movements were preparing grew more positive from day to day. On the 4th the commissioners credited the rumor that the United States intended to resist the acquisition of Santo Domingo by Spain. The next day they suspected that this might be a ruse. By the evening of the 6th they thought the armaments were to be used against Fort Pickens, and perhaps against Sumter. [1] Early the following (Sunday) morning Campbell was again called in. He then sent a note to Seward, stating that various reports had caused the commissioners "anxiety and concern for two or three days"; that he had repeated to them the assurances that the administration would give notice to Governor Pickens before attempting to supply Sumter, and that he (Campbell) "should have notice whenever any measure changing the existing status prejudicially to the Confederate States is contemplated as respects Fort Pickens." He concluded with these sentences: "I do not experience the same anxiety or concern as they express. But if I have said more than I am authorized, I pray that you will advise me." [2] To this inquiry Seward answered, without date or signature: "Faith as to Sumter fully kept; wait and see; other suggestions received, and will be respectfully considered." [3] Campbell understood this to mean that Governor Pickens should have notice before an attempt should be made to supply Sumter, but that the assurances as to Fort Pickens were no longer to be depended on.Sufficient had been learned to convince the commissioners that a "hostile movement" was on foot and that an expedition had sailed against the Confederate States.
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[1] Telegrams to Toombs of the dates mentioned.
[2] This is quoted from the copy preserved by the commissioners.
[3] Crawford's Genesis, etc., 840. The copy that the commissioners took of Campbell's letter, to which this was a reply, contains nothing to call forth the last eight words. It seems likely that after the commission's copy of Campbell's note was made, he added his offer to go to Montgomery, to which Crawford refers (ibid.), and to which Seward's eight words were probably an answer.
No reason for him to respect our Constitution. Why would he?
Not yet.
“There was every possibility from people who knew back then, for a deal to be worked out. “
Deal for what? Lincoln was never going to allow secession.
........the underlying cause of Ft. Sumter was, I think, that the pot was already on low boil. Then, the Ft. Sumter “incident” occurred and the pot boiled over with a 4 year fight and hundreds of thousands of deaths.
That’s my point. Aren’t we on low boil today?
“Was Hamas and Hezbollah on the list?”
Remember that Hamas is the duly elected government of the Palestinians.
Are you against Democracy or something?
I think the Democrats are trying to save Democracy from people like you.
“The letter features support from national organizations like AFL-CIO and Center for American Progress to state and local organizations like Make the Road Nevada and Courts Matter Illinois. “
125 organizations, and these are the only ones the article names. Are the others so odious that no list will be forthcoming?
Does anyone have the list? Or even a partial list?
“The White House has denounced the scrutiny Mangi has faced and has intensified efforts to get him confirmed in the Democratic-led Senate.
The White House touted several law enforcement endorsements last week, the same day Rosen came out against Biden’s pick, NBC News reported. “
That does it.
Another thing Lincoln did in the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was to get Congress riled up enough that they gave him a blank check to pursue an undeclared war, the costliest ever for the states in terms of lives.
I meant to say the Fort Sumter Incident.
“ Another thing Lincoln did in the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was to get Congress riled up enough that they gave him a blank check to pursue an undeclared war, the costliest ever for the states in terms of lives.”
That’s likely due to the embarrassment that Lincoln felt after the Russians downed our U2 spyplane.
Lincoln had to do something to save face
He did. He fought an optional war and killed over 500,000 people.
In his honor, radicals passed the ill-compounded and hastily adopted homosexual marriage amendment.
Aren’t we on low boil today?
We are on simmer. We are not yet at April 1861 level. In 1861, several states had already seceded, and Sumter/Pickens was the tipping point for the border states to secede. We are more at 1860 level before the first round of secessions. That progressed and did not end well.
In addition to a fracturing of areas by state, there is an internal fracturing of states between urban and rural areas.
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