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1 posted on 04/10/2024 2:52:21 PM PDT by McGruff
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It’s sad that the government so abused its power that it cannot be trusted, but here we are.

If the ACLU was actually an organization that supported civil liberties, instead of a fake front group for the Democrats and Deep State, it would now endorse all these conservatives.


2 posted on 04/10/2024 2:59:35 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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Spy on WHO????? probably conservatives, Christians, and tax payers.


3 posted on 04/10/2024 2:59:43 PM PDT by davidb56
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Its obvious that Obama/Holder/Brennan and their fellow marxists turned the DOJ/FBI/DHS/CIA into woke institutions who will break any law and destroy any tradition, to keep themselves and their ideology in power


4 posted on 04/10/2024 3:00:00 PM PDT by PGR88
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Now gut the new Headquarters of the Pretorian Guard. Today. End it.


5 posted on 04/10/2024 3:00:05 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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Someone reconcile these two items:

"The bill in question would renew Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which permits the U.S. government to collect without a warrant the communications of non-Americans located outside the country to gather foreign intelligence."

"Those violations have led to demands for the FBI to have a warrant before conducting database queries on Americans, which FBI director Chris Wray has warned would effectively gut the effectiveness of the program and was also legally unnecessary since the database contained already lawfully collected information."

Implied admission that 702 has been a "legal" fig leaf to spy on Americans domestically, imho. And the fact that they tried to put in a cutout for Congress is a further implied admission.

6 posted on 04/10/2024 3:02:08 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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The Turtle is probably livid at this outcome.
“Trump made this happen, and he’s not even in office!
Damn him. Damn his name!...And after I promised Chuck Schumer that this would be a Slam Dunk! What will this do for my credibility?”


7 posted on 04/10/2024 3:02:40 PM PDT by lee martell
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Kill it.

Then kill it again.

L


9 posted on 04/10/2024 3:02:50 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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“Crucial “? To whom?


10 posted on 04/10/2024 3:03:09 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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“ The bill’s failure also reflected the dramatic ideological shift in the Republican Party, which for years after the Sept. 11 attacks supported expansive surveillance in the name of national security”

BS! Nancy Pelosi and her crew not only supported it but expanded it and made it permanent!


11 posted on 04/10/2024 3:04:31 PM PDT by Skywise
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AP says “outrage over the FBI’s investigation into Trump’s 2016 campaign”. It wasn’t an investigation; they spied on Trump. Samantha Power should have been hanged for treason.
12 posted on 04/10/2024 3:06:32 PM PDT by Venkman
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It’s those crazy conservatives again. Wanting to reign in the gooberment police state. They’re just out of control aren’t they? /s


14 posted on 04/10/2024 3:17:35 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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Nineteen House Republicans sided with Democrats Wednesday to defeat the rule, 228 to 193.

Why would so many dems vote against it? Why would so many repubs be for it?


15 posted on 04/10/2024 3:25:44 PM PDT by TomGuy
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"... a key US spy tool.."

...a key US democrat spy tool.

17 posted on 04/10/2024 3:36:05 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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“Crucial”? In what way? This isn’t journalism, it’s editorial.


18 posted on 04/10/2024 3:44:08 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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Full house vote on procedural rule for reauthorization of FISA:

On Agreeing to the Resolution: H RES 1125 Providing for consideration of the bills H.R. 7888 and H.R. 529; and providing for consideration of the resolutions H. Res. 1112 and H. Res. 1117

20 posted on 04/10/2024 3:51:46 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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LOL- when GWB was using FISA to spy on people the criminal liberal media claimed it was evil...now that conservatives put a stop to it, all of a sudden its a “key” spy tool.


21 posted on 04/10/2024 3:53:04 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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This is good news, but the downside is that if/when there is a terrorist attack on American soil the blame will be shifted to the Republicans for refusing “to give the necessary tools” to the security agencies rather than on the Democrats who let in all the terrorists.


22 posted on 04/10/2024 3:54:57 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (Kafka was an optimist.)
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“ which permits the U.S. government to collect without a warrant the communications of non-Americans located outside the country to gather foreign intelligence. ”

A steaming pile of BS. They’ve never needed a warrant to collect the communications of foreigners living outside the United States. We never had this till the Bush era and managed to do just fine. The FBI has massively abused its authority, so it needs things taken away.


25 posted on 04/10/2024 3:57:28 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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Ass Press spinning furiously again. Trump is a private citizen and does not issue “edicts”. He is also the victim of outrageously illegal actions on the part of divers intelligence agencies through outright fraud in the Steele Dossier to illegal surveillance through intelligence information fraudulently obtained from the NSA to abuses of the ISA to surveil supporters and team members. The only “unreasonable” part of this is that any of it was done in the first place.


26 posted on 04/10/2024 4:01:35 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Elizabeth Goitein
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The House just voted against the rule that would have brought Section 702 legislation to the floor tomorrow. This puts Section 702 itself in jeopardy—something that could easily have been avoided if surveillance hawks were willing to entertain reasonable reforms. 1/17 

The purpose of 702 is to collect intelligence on non-U.S. persons abroad; that is where its value overwhelmingly lies. But the gov’t uses it to spy on Americans through “backdoor searches,” a practice that undermines the 4th Amendment and has scant national security value. 2/17 

Lawmakers on the right and left have proposed reasonable reforms to protect Americans’ privacy, including a warrant requirement for backdoor searches that includes multiple exceptions and wouldn’t apply to metadata queries. 3/17 

Members have also proposed reforms to close the data broker loophole, through which the government is evading constitutional and statutory privacy protections by purchasing Americans’ sensitive information from data brokers. 4/17 

After all, it makes little sense to require a warrant for backdoor searches if the government can simply turn to data brokers to acquire similar information without a warrant. It would be like closing off one out of two breaches in a dam. 5/17 

Lawmakers had several other reforms in mind as well. Most of these were included in a sweeping reform bill, the Government Surveillance Reform Act, that was introduced with strong bipartisan support in both houses of Congress. 6/17 

The intelligence community, backed by surveillance hawks in the intelligence committees, dug in its heels. So reformers compromised and introduced the Protect Liberty Act. It still closed the backdoor search and data brokers loopholes but omitted several other major reforms. 7/17 

The IC and intel committees still wouldn’t play ball. So reformers came up with yet a further compromise: the SAFE Act, which modified the warrant and data broker provisions to respond to the IC’s stated concerns. 8/17 

Either the Protect Liberty Act or SAFE Act could likely have passed the House, and they certainly would have passed if IC/intel committees were willing to concede that Section 702 should not be used as a means of warrantlessly accessing Americans’ communications. 9/17 

But rather than bring one of these compromise bills to the floor, @SpeakerJohnson chose to go with RISAA, a bill favored by the IC that masquerades as reform but is carefully designed to preserve the status quo when it comes to backdoor searches. 10/17 

Reformers STILL agreed to go along with this, as long as they could offer amendments to close the backdoor search and data broker loopholes. But that was a little too much democracy for intelligence committee members, and they threatened to block the vote. 11/17 

So this time, @SpeakerJohnson edited RISAA to ensure that the data broker amendment would be ruled “not germane,” killing one of the reformers’ two key amendments while allowing intel committee members to offer three amendments to dramatically expand surveillance. 12/17 

That was the last straw. Even though the majority party traditionally votes in favor of the rule, nearly 20 Republicans crossed the aisle to vote against it, dooming tomorrow’s RISAA vote. 13/17 

Many reporters are suggesting that these members voted “no” because Trump told them to in a social media post this morning. That take ignores these members’ strong and consistent support for reform over the past year. 14/17 

To those who have been following Section 702, today’s vote was no surprise. It was a predictable response, not to Trump, but to @SpeakerJohnson’s decision to roll the committee of jurisdiction (Judiciary) and block reforms demanded by members and by the American people. 15/17 

The message is clear. If the IC/intel committees want the government to continue collecting and reviewing foreigners’ communications under Section 702, they must end their insistence on allowing the government to conduct warrantless searches for Americans’ communications. 16/17 

@SpeakerJohnson should bring the Protect Liberty Act or SAFE Act to the floor. That is the most (and possibly the only) viable path to reauthorization at this point. If the IC/intel committees truly want to see Section 702 reauthorized, they will support this solution. 17/17 

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28 posted on 04/10/2024 4:04:12 PM PDT by Bratch
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