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Rooftop solar panels are flooding California’s grid. That’s a problem.
Washington Post ^ | 04 22 2024 | Shannon Osaka

Posted on 04/22/2024 7:51:20 PM PDT by yesthatjallen

In sunny California, solar panels are everywhere. They sit in dry, desert landscapes in the Central Valley and are scattered over rooftops in Los Angeles’s urban center. By last count, the state had nearly 47 gigawatts of solar power installed — enough to power 13.9 million homes and provide over a quarter of the Golden State’s electricity.

But now, the state and its grid operator are grappling with a strange reality: There is so much solar on the grid that, on sunny spring days when there’s not as much demand, electricity prices go negative. Gigawatts of solar are “curtailed” — essentially, thrown away.

In response, California has cut back incentives for rooftop solar and slowed the pace of installing panels. But the diminishing economic returns may slow the development of solar in a state that has tried to move to renewable energy. And as other states build more and more solar plants of their own, they may soon face the same problems.

“These are not insurmountable challenges,” said Michelle Davis, head of global solar at the energy research and consulting firm Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables. “But they are challenges that a lot of grid operators have never had to deal with.”

Solar power has many wonderful properties — once built, it costs almost nothing to run; it produces no air pollution and generates energy without burning fossil fuels. But it also has one major, obvious drawback: The sun doesn’t shine all the time.

SNIP

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: california; greenenergy; solar; solarpanels
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1 posted on 04/22/2024 7:51:20 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

Start taxing them when they produce too much power.

Or pass laws that mandate they cover their panels 40% of the time.

Bewahahah..


2 posted on 04/22/2024 7:57:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: yesthatjallen

The renewable energy binge is a serious engineering problem. The more intermittent and inconsistent power penetrates the grid, the less stable it becomes. Without any meaningful existing storage capacity and none on the horizon, these anomalies will only get worse. And the cost will, as Obama wanted, “skyrocket.”


3 posted on 04/22/2024 7:58:30 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative. )
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To: yesthatjallen

Well it do in Phoenix and they are offering them here as well. We are known as ‘The valley of the sun’.

And in the summer to some we are locally known as ‘The valley of the fu* sun’.


4 posted on 04/22/2024 7:59:18 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: yesthatjallen

“Solar panels have one major, obvious drawback:
The sun doesn’t shine all the time.”
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Someone needs to invent “Lunar Panels”!!!


5 posted on 04/22/2024 7:59:37 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Export excess power.
Give me my genius award.


6 posted on 04/22/2024 8:00:18 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: yesthatjallen

Subsidize the addition of capacity... then penalize them for... adding capacity... Sounds like more Liberal/Democrat stupidity to me.


7 posted on 04/22/2024 8:02:32 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists-Satanists: redundant labels.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Union sunblockers with tarps and bucket lifts coming to a democratic run city near you.


8 posted on 04/22/2024 8:10:00 PM PDT by daku
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To: yesthatjallen

Clearly more evidence of Cloward Piven economics...


9 posted on 04/22/2024 8:12:24 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: yesthatjallen

Central Valley is not dry desert landscapes.


10 posted on 04/22/2024 8:16:12 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

Use the excess power to energize the landscape lights along the many pathways from Honduras to the US


11 posted on 04/22/2024 8:21:41 PM PDT by theyreallthesame
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To: yesthatjallen
electricity prices go negative

Many electric car owners would go out of their way to get cheap electricity. They just need the info when to plug in.

12 posted on 04/22/2024 8:25:26 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: yesthatjallen

The solar panels work too well! Stop them, for we, the corporate scum, aren’t getting our billions!


13 posted on 04/22/2024 8:25:32 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: yesthatjallen

Sky-high demand in the morning would be replaced by almost zero demand in the middle of the day, when solar power could generate virtually all electricity people needed. Then as the sun set, demand surged up again.
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This means that operators must build the same fossil fuel generating capacity as would be needed without any solar panels. Add that it takes about an hour to spin up a fossil fuel generator. The delay leaves generator operators providing excess power in case clouds roll in. Somebody’s gotta pay for that.


14 posted on 04/22/2024 8:31:45 PM PDT by nagant
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But the diminishing economic returns may slow the development of solar in a state that has tried to move to renewable energy.

The article itself says it. The do not need more solar "development."

15 posted on 04/22/2024 8:32:14 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: TheBattman

But at least they *care* more than you.


16 posted on 04/22/2024 8:35:05 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Reeses

The Telsa Powerwall handles this for you and your Telsa. You just need about $80K to setup the system and buy the car.


17 posted on 04/22/2024 8:35:09 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: yesthatjallen

There are these mysterious items that store energy for use later. Assaults? No, something close though.


18 posted on 04/22/2024 8:38:48 PM PDT by No.6
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To: dfwgator

“care” - meaning desiring for human beings to die and to steal as much money from those who remain living as possible. Not a fan.


19 posted on 04/22/2024 8:39:15 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists-Satanists: redundant labels.)
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To: yesthatjallen

It seems like Wickard v. Filburn must apply here permitting the commerce department to enter the scene and quickly solve this issue.


20 posted on 04/22/2024 8:39:24 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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