[Merovingian]

Uh Oh...

[Dan from Michigan]

Excuse the language, but this is among the biggest pile of BULLSHIT I have ever heard in my life.

And I am NO FAN of 'militia groups'.

[zog]

--been waiting for this to start. We'll see if the US press and the goobermint will start parroting similar. Already saw senator bil graham of florida say something might close to this day after the wtc/pentagon attack. he started mumbling noise about 'timothy mc veigh" and "militia" and etc. Senate intel committee.

I know it might be painful for some consider, but clinton is *not* president anymore, the stuff that's happening can't be constantly blamed on him, not all of it. a lot of it, sure, but not all of it. Comes a time you have to realise it's bush and the repubs running the show now, so what happens is on their watch, that's just reality.

We'll see what happens. I'm not really liking some the rhetoric lately. so far, it's still sort of more or less business as usual domestically, well, if you discount the new and improved gutting of the constitution they are pushing.

would be nice if they just concentrated on getting the illegals out of the country en masse instead of this other stuff they are doing.

Wonder why exactly that they aren't? too good of an idea, might dramatically reduce the internal terror threats, might actually go a long way to make the country more secure?

We'll see if it gets worse. Right now I am 50/50 on this administration, by no means are they 100% pure e-vile like the klintoons, but too much weird stuff is still going on to ignore. Granted, this is an english newspaper, written with very little in the way of accuracy, but still....the track record of the US media isn't much better, demonization of various people, notably firearms owners and proponents of honesty in government, gets you an official government and media description of "dangerous". If you question strange happenings in government, that makes you "anti-government" fully, even see that here on this forum a lot. Even just questioning, not even accusing, just expressing a desire to investigate and discuss the possibilites that maybe there are some bad and crooked elements in government gets you labeled as a commie, or anarchist, or some such term.

That's why I think it's better to stay independent and non aligned with any major party. Being aligned might tend to make you overlook questionable actions, or excuse them too readily. Extremely easy if you are talking about 'the other guys", not so easy when "your guys" are "in power", which is a curious phrase we use describing an administration, isn't it? "In power".

Sure would be nice one 4 year period if the people were "in power" sometime.

[Dan Day]

Wow, what a steaming load of...

Man, where do I start?

In places like Idaho, Texas, Montana and West Virginia, they wear army surplus camouflage uniforms and train with assault rifles and explosives against the day when they might have to defend themselves against direct interference from the federal authorities. They range in outlook from Pat Robertson, a failed 1988 presidential candidate,

Pat Robertson wears camouflage and trains with assault rifles out in the woods? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! This writer doesn't have a clue, does he?

All have links with the National Rifle Association,

"All", eh? Such ridiculous overstatement is a sure sign of either an incompetent propagandist, or a totally unreliable "reporter" who reports his preconceptions as if they were fact. And what, if anything, does he mean by "links"? Never trust a "reporter" who uses vague innuendo instead of clear language supported by evidence.

There is some doubt as to whether this right is enshrined legally in the American constitution but the NRA has powerful supporters in both senate and congress and no-one has yet managed successfully to challenge the all-pervasive nationwide gun culture.

</Liberal wishful-thinking mantra OFF>

Most of the militias' philosophy is based on white-supremacist principles, looking down on blacks as "mud people" and Jews as instigators of the global plot against them and manipulators of the world economy for their own benefit.

What nonsense. While there are some militia groups based on "white supremacist principles" it's utterly false to say that "most" are. In truth, "most" are based on concerns that the Constitution is in danger, and are as conscientious of liberty for all as anyone.

I still laugh about the fact that Phil Donahue had the Michigan Militia send a representative to appear on his show, and Phil was all set to grill him about the group's alleged racism -- only to discover that the MM representative was black.

[Petronski]

Now THIS sounds like a Reichstag fire...

[The_Media_never_lie]

Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma bomber who killed 168 people when he blew up a federal building in 1995, was a supporter of one such group, the National Alliance.

So, that means all members of the National Alliance support McVeigh type bombings? Is that the intended inference? I think not! Very prejudiced author.

[MississippiMan]

I must admit that I was shocked to see the media getting hit, seeing as how they're consistenly on the side of the enemies of the USA, but remember that our enemies don't see it that way. They see us as one big lump. Bush same as Clinton. You and I same as Tom Brokaw. Hard to believe, I know, but that's their view.

MM

[majic12]

The fix is in. The basic premise: we are in danger and need a more powerful federal police aparatus to protect us, provided we give up some liberties. They will supply the evidence for this conclusion.

By the way, we ain't getting these liberties back

[willyboyishere]

Yes, "backwoods militia"-men usually travel to Trenton NJ and Malaysia to mail their anthrax envelopes: it's a fact well known to "law enforcement".

[Dan from Michigan]

Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma bomber who killed 168 people when he blew up a federal building in 1995, was a supporter of one such group, the National Alliance.

It was Eloheim City, not the National Alliance.

Others have threatened to use biological weapons, including anthrax, botulism, and ricin, in their struggle against what they see as a global conspiracy between the US administration and the United Nations to disarm and enslave them.

Names?

Every state has its own "patriot" group of disaffected right-wing Christian radicals opposed to central government and federal regulations. Most are organised along paramilitary lines.

They aren't all Christians. Nice tag, DMF.

The FBI estimates their numbers at up to 40,000, with the larger militias in backwoods country areas. They claim they are mobilising to fight the "New World Order".

Wow, genius, you got one right.

In places like Idaho, Texas, Montana and West Virginia, they wear army surplus camouflage uniforms and train with assault rifles

They don't have 'assault rifles'. They are illegal without a class III, genius.

and explosives against the day when they might have to defend themselves against direct interference from the federal authorities.

Any proof?

They range in outlook from Pat Robertson, a failed 1988 presidential candidate, with his vision of a "Christian America"

Pat Robertson is part of that group? I never knew that....(/Sacrasm)

to the sinister Posse Comitatus, Aryan Nations and Minnesota Patriots' Council, who favour armed insurrection.

Tagging all by the actions of a few Nazi's.

All have links with the National Rifle Association, the influential lobby group which represents weapons' manufacturers, hunters and gun clubs and campaigns for the right of all Americans "to own and bear arms".

That is the BS. Most of them HATE the NRA. That is the biggest pile of BS I've ever heard. I'm sending a letter there.

There is some doubt as to whether this right is enshrined legally in the American constitution

No there isn't. Read the constitution.

but the NRA has powerful supporters in both senate and congress and no-one has yet managed successfully to challenge the all-pervasive nationwide gun culture.

Yeah, because there are 5 million of us that are defending ourselves from jerks like you.

Most of the militias' philosophy is based on white-supremacist principles, looking down on blacks as "mud people" and Jews as instigators of the global plot against them and manipulators of the world economy for their own benefit.

I don't like militias, but they aren't Nazi's. I know a few of these people. They don't give a rip about race or Jews, but the UN.

Despite their redneck reputation, they have developed a sophisticated communications network using computer e-mail, shortwave radio, and fax. The North American Patriots, a group with members from California to Kansas, publish a newsletter entitled Firearms and Freedom.

Wow, genius, you actually got one right.

After the disastrous FBI storming of the Branch Davidian headquarters in Waco, Texas, and the Ruby Ridge stand-off fiasco, where an FBI sniper killed an unarmed woman in a mountain cabin, the militias have turned to the threat of biological weapons to up the ante.

Proof?

In January 1999, police and security forces responded to 30 anthrax hoaxes in southern California alone. Since then, there have been thousands of false alarms across the country.

Do you have proof of who did it?

Many aimed at government buildings, including deliveries of envelopes containing suspicious white powder, were militia inspired. Others targeting schools, hospitals or newspapers were sent by disgruntled former employees or jilted lovers.

Proof?

However, the FBI has never discounted the possibility someone might lay hands on lethal biological agents. In 1992, two members of the Minnesota Patriots' Council were arrested carrying vials of ricin, an extremely dangerous toxin. They intended to use the substance to kill police officers over a local feud.

OK, you got two jerks and you blame the NRA, who these people hate. F-you Bruce, you stupid piece of crap.

Larry Wayne Harris of the Aryan Nations managed to buy samples of bubonic plague over the internet. Fortunately, the plague bacteria were inert.

Aryan Nations is not one of us.

Three members of the Republic of Texas bought what they thought was anthrax in 1998. It turned out to be anthrax serum, the liquid used to inoculate people against the infection.

They failed.

An FBI source said yesterday that up to 80% of the weapons of mass destruction inquiries carried out in the last few years involved the threat of anthrax.

And whose behind it? Source? Proof?

"But our own militias may also have a hand in some or all of the incidents. Copycats and hoaxers could also be having a field day. The problem is, we just can't afford to drop our guard."

Innocent until proven guilty, jackass.

And once again, I don't like 'militia groups', but where's the f'ing proof?

[agrace]

They range in outlook from Pat Robertson, a failed 1988 presidential candidate, with his vision of a "Christian America" to the sinister Posse Comitatus, Aryan Nations and Minnesota Patriots' Council, who favour armed insurrection.

PAT ROBERSTON is considered "backwoods militia"??? Oh please. Quick, someone better call CBN and tell him to quit with the pro-gun, anti-govt rhetoric on his network. < /sarcasm >

[God_isa_Jew]

""But our own militias may also have a hand in some or all of the incidents. Copycats and hoaxers could also be having a field day. The problem is, we just can't afford to drop our guard.""

Sounds like the near-COMMUNISTs down at the FBI are back to after anyone who might be willing to resist the globalist conspiracy.

[Heisenburger]

Every state has its own "patriot" group of disaffected right-wing Christian radicals opposed to central government and federal regulations.

It's interesting how the agnostic and atheistic liberal media attach Christian to these types of groups, since Timothy McVeigh was, according to the Associated Press, a self-described agnostic.

Though I have suspected the neo-Nazi tinfoilers in this, the fact is that they have neither the technical experience nor the immense funding necessary to cultivate and powderize anthrax spores.

[Liberals are Evil Socialists!]

Perfect Osama strategy. Make it look internal to have us fight each other. We are doing the same thing over there. We can't take the bait. We need to step it up before the set up fix comes full circle.

[griffin]

ok...so you forgot to type "HUMOR" in the classification...no big deal....just make the correction...I'll wait.........Thanks!

[classygreeneyedblonde]

All and I suposse their doing over in Europe to????? give me a break

[doc]

It couldn't be a "left wing" extremist like the unabomber could it?

[TERMINATTOR]

My opinion: Tom DassHole ghost wrote this piece AND mailed himself the anthrax.

[mississippi red-neck]

I see that there are few radical left-wing liberal-lip Limeys haven't got over the fact that buch of rag-tag gun-toting game-hunting radical right-wing christians in the American milita kicked their tyrannical ass back across the ocean in 1776.

[Redcloak]

Yup... Definitely time for a Tomahawk to find its way to Fleet Street.

[OrioleFan]

I have a question. Where's Ross Perot in all of this. He got fat off a no-bid contract with the US Postal Service for machines that sort the mail. Why hasn't he come up with the ability to test for anthrax when the letters come in or before the letters are sent out? I would gladly put up with a few extra days of my mail in storage.