Posted on 11/19/2001 9:07:12 PM PST by ouroboros
And a question for you...who on here is advocating "joining the Arabs in their desire to destroy Israel"?
Regarding our terms; if we as a nation or a portion of our citizenry is to be put in peril or injured in some way by any entity "over there", we then strike. I was under the impression that your view was that we should be a supporter of Israel, period. I DO agree that we should saturation bomb the PA because and ONLY because they support or are allied with terrorists. It's Bush's mandate. That DOES NOT include providing economic aid of ANY kind to their post-bombed transitional government. If the hatred grows and their venom spews forth following their destruction, so does the bombing. I'm for complete obliteration of their entire civilization if necessary. Absolute complete eradication if necessary. Same goes for Israel. It won't win me any points on the floor of the UN, but that's another story......
I'm not familiar with that phrase.
Anyone?
I assume you would also deny US protection to Korea, the Saudis, pull out of NATO, pretty much hide under the bed.
Aid does not make an iota of difference to the Federal budget. It does however, when it is used to purchase American goods, create American jobs.
Now lets suppose aid is pulled and Israel- vastly vastly outnumbered, fights valiantly, but to save themselves from certain death, resort to a nuclear option- would that be a positive for the US?
This knee jerk "pro-US, not pro-Israel" sentiment is so much garbage.
The thing I find most strange about it, is the intrinsic inferiority complex it manifests. Jews are less then 3% of the US population- it implies that we Jews are either Supermen (in which case it would be smart to be on our side) or that Gentiles are easily manipulated mindless idiots (is that your opinion). Neither is true.
From Buchanan's own website:
In 1973, as a special assistant to President Nixon, he strongly supported the decision to aid the Israelis with a massive airlift that saved the country in the Yom Kippur War.
This knee jerk "pro-US, not pro-Israel" sentiment is so much garbage.
Are you saying unequivocally that we cannot be Pro-US, not Pro-Israel? We not only should be, we must be. Using your reasoning then, we are either for Israel or against Israel. We cannot be neutral.
I'm for pulling aid out of Kenya, and all other garbage dumps around the world. Justify to me just why we should shore up these cesspools. The preservation of their lives? Their contribution to the arts? Do we value the lives of one human being over the lives of another? Yes. Abso-f'n-lutely. The simplicity of it is earth shattering. "If you take from me, then you harm me. If you contribute to me or my community, then we can work something out". I'm not for arbitrary eradication of groups or nations (if you can call them nations), I'm for destroying those who would do harm to me or my community. Arguably, my community is the world.
Bush has an opportunity now to demonstrate just what that means. Pull aid out of N.Korea. Pull troops out of S.Korea. It's sink or swim. If one attacks the other, kill them decisively. That is what is necessary. It will come to this one day, what I'd like to know is just why we are pussy-footing around the God damned globe half-assed. I'm sick of it.
You sure?
I can't figure out what they think besides parroting the idiotic utterances of a congenital loser.
"Amen Corner" makes the Congress bend to their will, because if not for the "Amen Corner" we would do.......something.....great things.... prostrate before the Arabs....make them love us...something....
If not for measly, by budget standards, aid to Israel, everyone would get free cable...at least free HBO.
Utopia if not for the "Amen Corner"
And who is the "Amen Corner"? Christians and Jews, Americans all. Anyone who supports Israel. But it is somehow sinister.
You're apparently still horribly confused. He's basically saying it is pretty much imposible for the US to broker a peace deal, and then lists the reasons. He offers no solutions, no pax america, nothing.
You know about Kitty Genevese [sp]. She was a woman murdered in NYC whose long cries for help went unanswered by many neighbors- who didn't even call the police.
Where you have Israel outnumbered by numerous multiples who want to destroy her, when you are not pro-Israel, then you are anti-Israel.
Thank-you, Luis.
In addition to Europe, there are also large numbers who migrated from America and Russia. Yet I suspect that both you and I would be banned from making this migration ourselves, Luis, based on our respective racial/ethnic/religious heritages.
Oh stop the whining and hyperbole. We should cut all aid to Israel and all the Arab countries surrounding her. I love Jews. And Pat loves Jews too.
"As a Jew, I never felt any hostility from Buchanan on that score, never heard him make a disparaging remark about Jews, never noticed any difference in the way he treats Jews and non-Jews," -Michael Kinsley
"I've known [Pat] now for twenty-five years. We have agreed on almost nothing, starting with Richard Nixon . . , there's not a scintilla of evidence in all I've known about Pat that he is anti-Semitic . . , This is an attempt to say that if you disagree with Israel on a matter of policy, you can be called anti-Semitic..." -Jack Germond
"No true Christian can carry within his heart hatred for any of God's children . . . I am as aware as any other Christian that our Savior was Jewish, His mother was Jewish. The Apostles were Jewish. The first martyrs were Jewish...So no true Christian, in my judgment, can be an anti-Semite." - Pat Buchanan
Anyone can immigrate to Israel same as to other countries.
Let's see, Pukechanan, Reese, Sobran, Lew Rockwell.com, so many crackpots so much wasted bandwidth.
S, Is Pat wrong?? If not, how is this considered "bashing"? Peace and love, George.
I lived in Kitty's building...... but a few years later.
So skewed is Pat, that he sees SUPPORT for Israel from 89 Senators as part of some grand conspiracy.
I would proffer that the Pat Buchanan's of the world are the odd men out, they are the ones with an agenda. And it simply just does not jibe with the majority of Americans.
And Senator Fulbright was Clinton's mentor. I am not impressed.
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