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You are dead wrong.

I read the rest of your post and don't see what it is I'm wrong about.

If Israel wants to fight a battle for that little slice of heaven, let them go right ahead.

I agree but our Prez disagrees.

I mean EVERYTHING is on the table here, chems, bios and even nukes. We need to get OUT of there. The blood of my son or daughter is NOT going to subsidize their blood feud.

We're not IN there and I don't advocate us going there.

You know which argument doesn't fly with Americans anymore, Sakic? The BS "regional stabilization" argument. We've all heard it before. "If Israel falls, the middle east falls." Then what? Armegeddon? Jeesh. If we have to secure our interests in that region of the planet, we'll do it on our terms.

What are our terms?

Increasingly, Americans as a whole are finding little to no value in the oil reserves ka ka that usually accompanies and permiates diatribes such as yours, having found vast reserves on our own soil in Alaska and San Padre Island, Texas.

You're arguing with me because you agree with me about our devotion to Arab oil? If you want to disagree with me then disagree with me. You call me dead wrong and agree with me. You're an odd duck.

After 9/11, we have been reminded of the horrors of war in technicolor. Me thinks that fighting and dying for a reason has a new standard to be met. To Israel: Get it done or shut the F up.

They would like nothing better but America continues to try and constrain them from defending themselves. Your beef isn't with me. It's with Bush's policy in the region.

You are right, my Beef is with the nation's policies, not with you. I get a little bent whenever I hear people justify any type of long term side-taking in that area of the world though. I disagree with you that we are not "in there". We are. The wallets of our children are "in there" and they should be shut.....now. The same applies for the PA. Bush should close the tap now and take advantage of this politically favorable, yet fleeting instant in world history to reshape OUR stance in the region. No more aid, call us in a few years if you want to trade with us.

Regarding our terms; if we as a nation or a portion of our citizenry is to be put in peril or injured in some way by any entity "over there", we then strike. I was under the impression that your view was that we should be a supporter of Israel, period. I DO agree that we should saturation bomb the PA because and ONLY because they support or are allied with terrorists. It's Bush's mandate. That DOES NOT include providing economic aid of ANY kind to their post-bombed transitional government. If the hatred grows and their venom spews forth following their destruction, so does the bombing. I'm for complete obliteration of their entire civilization if necessary. Absolute complete eradication if necessary. Same goes for Israel. It won't win me any points on the floor of the UN, but that's another story......