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Physicists Say Can Find No Sign of 'God Particle'
Reuters / Yahoo ^ | December 5, 2001

Posted on 12/06/2001 4:46:03 AM PST by Darth Reagan

Physicists Say Can Find No Sign of 'God Particle'

LONDON (Reuters) - After years of searching and months of sifting through data, scientists have still not found the elusive sub-atomic particle that could help to unravel the secrets of the universe, a science magazine said on Wednesday.

The Higgs boson, the missing link which could explain why matter has mass and other fundamental laws of particle physics, is still missing -- and physicists fear it may not exist.

``It's more likely than not that there is no Higgs,'' John Swain, of Northeastern University in Boston, told New Scientist magazine.

Scientists have been searching for the Higgs particle ever since Peter Higgs of Edinburgh University first proposed in the 1960s that it could explain why matter has mass.

Using the world's largest particle accelerator at the CERN (news - web sites) nuclear physics lab near Geneva, scientists had hunted for the Higgs boson, which has been dubbed the ``God particle,'' until the accelerator was closed late last year.

Accelerators hurl particles at nearly the speed of light on a collision course to break them up so scientists can study the nature of matter.

Scientists of the Electroweak Working Group at CERN, who had searched for the Higgs, said they had found no evidence of it at the energies where they had expected to find it.

``We've eliminated most of the hunting area,'' Neil Calder, of CERN, told the magazine.

New Scientist said the problem for physicists is that, without the Higgs particle, they do not have a viable theory of matter.

CERN adjourned the search for the Higgs when it closed the LEP (Large Electron-Positron) accelerator, but it is building a Large Hadron Collider that will be able to smash particles at even higher energies in 2007.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: higgs; higgsboson; kludge; peterhiggs; thereisnohiggs
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So, maybe now they'll look elsewhere.
1 posted on 12/06/2001 4:46:03 AM PST by Darth Reagan
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To: Darth Reagan
Now is when I really miss the SSC.
2 posted on 12/06/2001 4:48:00 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Darth Reagan
help to unravel the secrets of the universe

Maybe the GOD who is not a "particle" doesn't want to tell them the secrets of HIS universe...

3 posted on 12/06/2001 4:49:36 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Physicist
bump
4 posted on 12/06/2001 4:51:15 AM PST by Darth Reagan
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To: Ward Smythe
doesn't want to tell them the secrets of HIS universe...

Why, is he ashamed? Petulant? What?

5 posted on 12/06/2001 4:51:48 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: Darth Reagan
LOL
(?? What/Who 'is' Space??)
(?? Exactly, what 'is' the 'evolution' of Space??)
LOL
6 posted on 12/06/2001 4:53:02 AM PST by maestro
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To: Darth Reagan
Maybe OJ will stumble across it in his never-ending search for his wife's killer.
7 posted on 12/06/2001 4:53:11 AM PST by randog
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To: randog
Didn't you hear? The house painter did it.
8 posted on 12/06/2001 4:55:35 AM PST by ConservativeNJdad
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To: RadioAstronomer
If memory serves me, I think the unfinished hole is being used as a mushroom farm. It would be nice if we could pick up where we left off on that project.

RA: Were you directly involved in the SSC, or just interested in the science?

9 posted on 12/06/2001 4:56:06 AM PST by The_Victor
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To: Darth Reagan
I'm not sure why they're trying to find God. Liberals already know where He is: in multiculturalism, the government, and in any Old Navy.
10 posted on 12/06/2001 4:59:38 AM PST by Christian B
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To: Darth Reagan
If anyone wants to read a great novel concerning this research and its bearing on religion, pick up Angels and Demons by Dan Brown. Great read.
11 posted on 12/06/2001 5:00:17 AM PST by Mr.Clark
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Why, is he ashamed?

Not at all. But in a morally neutral world where scientists are scrambling to create life in a laboratory while simultaneously their counterparts are slaughtering millions of innocent babies, and a world where we've developed the ability and power to blow ourselves into oblivion, maybe He thinks it best that there are just some things we don't need to know.

12 posted on 12/06/2001 5:09:13 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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Why, is he ashamed? Petulant? What?

Curiousity is the damnation of man. If we knew everything, we wouldn't have anything to do.

13 posted on 12/06/2001 5:15:41 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Darth Reagan
LONDON (Reuters) - After years of searching and months of sifting through data, scientists have still not found the elusive sub-atomic particle that could help to unravel the secrets of the universe, a science magazine said on Wednesday.

That is because they have not looked in the right place, all they need do is read Genesis one and two. They are looking for proof of the worlds evolving, you can not find proof of somethign that never happened. Oh, you can make up proof, but you can never find any real proof.

Genesis Chapter One

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Alas

14 posted on 12/06/2001 5:24:21 AM PST by Alas
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To: Darth Reagan
An excellent book for curious minds is "Physics" or "Physics 2001" by Roland Dishington. It's very technical but will open some minds. Available from Beak Publications PO Box 333 Pacific Palisades, CA 90272. The statistical and mystical nature of physics is thrown out the window in this one.
15 posted on 12/06/2001 5:24:50 AM PST by Barry Goldwater
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To: The_Victor
I had close friends at Caltech who were going to be involved. Sigh! I was still working with JPL at the time.
16 posted on 12/06/2001 5:28:06 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: longshadow; LeeMcCoy
bump. :)
17 posted on 12/06/2001 5:31:02 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Mr.Clark
Thanks for the heads up, I was looking for a gift book and this will fill the bill.
18 posted on 12/06/2001 5:31:21 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Darth Reagan
The Higgs boson will be discovered whether it is there or not. If the Higgs boson is not there, then before you get to a collision energy of 1 TeV, the interaction strength between the W bosons becomes gigantic. This leads to huge resonances that play the same role as the Higgs boson, and mimic many of its properties. (Geeks: if the electroweak symmetry is not spontaneously broken, it must break dynamically.) If this does not happen, it will violate the principle of unitarity, which is the requirement that the probability of any interaction not exceed 100%.

Anyway, I don't know why these guys are wringing their hands about the Higgs, unless they are pushing strong electroweak sector models like I described above. LEP had a 2.5-sigma indication of a Higgs at 114 GeV just before it shut down. The only other game in town is the Tevatron at Fermilab, but that won't have enough data to make useful statements about the Higgs for a couple of years, yet.

``We've eliminated most of the hunting area,'' Neil Calder, of CERN, told the magazine.

I have no idea where this claim comes from.

19 posted on 12/06/2001 5:34:30 AM PST by Physicist
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Why, is he ashamed? Petulant? What?

Sane people turn reticent around those who hate them.

20 posted on 12/06/2001 5:36:13 AM PST by Taliesan
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