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This freaked the crap out of me. Discussion?? I can not wait to see the replies to this theory.
1 posted on 01/14/2002 8:14:37 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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Is this for real?
2 posted on 01/14/2002 8:25:46 PM PST by Bogey78O
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Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.

Einstein IS in trouble. The speed of light isn’t constant.

3 posted on 01/14/2002 8:26:52 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: My Favorite Headache
Someone get ahold of Morpheus. The Universe is indeed The Matrix!
4 posted on 01/14/2002 8:26:54 PM PST by week 71
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Under Newton, the universe seemed like a great machine. Since then, it has seemed more and more like a great thought. I don't see that holograms add anything to our understandings.
6 posted on 01/14/2002 8:28:35 PM PST by T'wit
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i checked out the source... a website of a physic who at the age of 11 saw two aliens while in nevada!? author unknown?? i don't buy it... sorry.
7 posted on 01/14/2002 8:32:21 PM PST by bubbac
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Great Informative post
8 posted on 01/14/2002 8:32:54 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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You might be interested in The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot.

Wholeness and the Implicate Order, by Bohm, is on my bedside table but I'm barely into it. Any thoughts on it?

9 posted on 01/14/2002 8:34:26 PM PST by d4now
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Don't be scared by this hocus-pocus bag of magic tricks.
11 posted on 01/14/2002 8:36:52 PM PST by billybudd
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An interesting synthesis.

Photons can be made to communicate instantaneously regardless of separation, even apparently across the enire galaxy, after a fashion.

This is not a problem, but consciousness itself is still a mystery, holograms or not. We can never know, and all of science and religion cannot explain that final mystery.

15 posted on 01/14/2002 8:41:01 PM PST by RightWhale
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This strikes me as did the popular fascination with Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle several decades ago did.

In that case, as in this case, a property of some specific subatomic physics is extended by naive writers to other areas of human endeavor as if it were directly applicable.

I think not. Rather I think that both Uncertainty (then) and the pairing of electrons understood (here) as a manifestation of a Holographic like property are being stretched beyond their proper orgins to be metaphors for much else.

Metaphors are fine - I enjoy them myself. But don't confuse them with reality, or even scientific models of reality.

I like Karl Poppers view that science is distinguished by its being able to be disproven -- conclusively invalidated. Metaphors are not science.

20 posted on 01/14/2002 8:46:27 PM PST by ThePythonicCow
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HHMMMMM! Kewl! I want more!
21 posted on 01/14/2002 8:46:50 PM PST by Cold Heat
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Scientific America, December 22, 1997
"Beam Me Up"
An experiment confirms that teleportation is possible--at least for photons.

The Innsbruck Experiment

Captain Kirk and his crew do it all the time with the greatest of ease: they discorporate at one point and reappear at another. But this form of travel long has seemed remote to the realm of possibility. Now, however, it turns out that in the strange world of quantum physics, teleportation is not only theoretically possible, it can actually happen.

One group of researchers at the University of Innsbruck in Austria published an account of the first experiment to verify quantum teleportation in the December 11 issue of Nature. And another team headed by Francesco De Martini in Rome has submitted similar evidence to Physical Review Letters for publication. Neither group sent a colleague to Katmandu or a car to the moon. Yet what they did prove is still pretty startling. Anton Zeilinger, De Martini and their colleagues demonstrated independently that it is possible to transfer the properties of one quantum particle (such as a photon) to another--even if the two are at opposite ends of the galaxy.

Until recently, physicists had all but ruled out teleportation, in essence because all particles behave simultaneously like particles and like waves. The trick was this: they presumed that to produce an exact duplicate of any one particle, you would first have to determine both its particlelike properties, such as its position, and its wavelike properties, such as its momentum. And yet doing so would violate the Heisenberg uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics. Under that principle, it is impossible to ever measure wave and particle properties at the same time. The more you learn about one set of characteristics, the less you can say about the other with any real certainty.

In 1993, though, an international team of six scientists proposed a way to make an end-run around the uncertainty principle. Their solution was based on a theorem of quantum mechanics dating to the 1930s called the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen effect. It states that when two particles come into contact with one another, they can become "entangled." In an entangled state, both particles remain part of the same quantum system so that whatever you do to one of them affects the other one in a predictable, domino-like fashion. Thus, the group showed how, in principle, entangled particles might serve as "transporters" of sorts. By introducing a third "message" particle to one of the entangled particles, one could transfer its properties to the other one, without ever measuring those properties.

EXPERIMENTAL PROOF

Bennett's ideas were not verified experimentally until the Innsbruck investigators performed their recent experiment. The researchers produced pairs of entangled photons and showed they could transfer the polarization state from one photon to another.

Teleportation still has one glitch: In the fuzzy realm of quantum mechanics, the result of the transfer is influenced by the receiver's observation of it. (As soon as you look at, say, Bones, he will look like something else.) So someone still has to tell the receiver that the transformation has been made so that they can correctly interpret what they see. And this sort of communication cannot occur at faster-than-light speeds. Even so, the scheme has definite applications in ultrafast quantum computers and in utilizing quantum phenomena to ensure secure data transmission [see QUANTUM CRYPTOGRAPHY, Charles H. Bennett, Scientific American, October 1992].

For now, though, it will be a long time before a real Scotty beams up a living Captain Kirk.

--By Alan Hall, contributing writer

RELATED LINKS:

Quantum teleportation at the University of Innsbruck

Download copies of Innsbruck journal articles

Quantum research at IBM

Quantum information from Los Alamos National Laboratory

23 posted on 01/14/2002 8:47:47 PM PST by TimSkalaBim
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I think this is from an episode of Star Trek(the old one) Seriously, though, this is very interesting until it devolves into New Age pap. I, too, am looking forward to seeing the replies.
24 posted on 01/14/2002 8:51:06 PM PST by queenofsardonia
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I remember reading about the remote influence of twinned subatomic particles in a reputable broadsheet (WSJ?) about two years ago. My first thought was that the Creator, master of all , could manipulate this observed phenomena to facilitate instantaneous travel over universal distance; to communicate through "angels", or apparitions to us here on the corporeal plane from any "place"in the universe. It made me think we were getting a glimpse of God's "radio". If one particle can be manipulated in one place to effect the state of another across a universe of time and space,....well, it's beyond my full comprehension, but it explains a lot.
25 posted on 01/14/2002 8:51:09 PM PST by dasboot
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I read the whole thing.
Very interesting theory.

Does this mean all those "Channelers" from the 80's and 90's were for real?
Those were really Atlanteans imparting their wisdom?
(Trying to maintain a sense of humor about this)

It sounds like there are some among us, who, with the proper "attitude adjustment" could actually affect the fabric of reality.

Likewise, instantaneous communication over vast distances would likely be the mode used by any civilised or advanced extraterrestrial life in the galaxy/universe(s).
A breakthrough in communication technology utilizing this phenomena could very well open up a vast intercourse with every ET race capable of doing the same.
Imagine the scienific and technological advances and breakthroughs if we were able to pool our information with other scientists from other worlds.

Although this is still theory, it bears some serious investigation.
Like some vast universal library, every question we have ever had about history, creation, political decisions, famous battles, ancient civilizations, etc. could be contained within the sub-atomic particle, if we can just learn how to access and utilize it.

Maybe the means of our own destruction as well.

28 posted on 01/14/2002 8:52:58 PM PST by Drammach
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Alain Aspect's work was part of his PhD research, and the details are online here.

The physical phenomena referred to in the post are real, but its author seems to have chosen the most absurd interpretation of them.

First, since these correlations cannot be used to transfer information, they do not violate Einstein's Theory of Relativity. That is a closed issue. Secondly, there are several explanations of the correlations that do not imply any kind of superluminal action at a distance. One is the Everett "Relative State" formulation, described here, and another is Cramer's "Transactional Interpretation", explained here.

Bohm's "holographic universe" idea has been around for a long time. To be blunt, in my opinion Bohm is a maverick who refuses to accept the intrinsic randomness of quantum events and has for decades been spinning candyfloss to salvage his cognitive dissonance. For a sympathetic view of the book, go here. For a more nuanced discussion, by the always lucid Kevin Sharpe, putting Bohm's views in better context, go here.

Finally, the word "hologram" is used as a metaphor. There is no experimental evidence that either the universe or the brain resembles a literal hologram. Metaphors generally make good copy but bad science.

[Disclaimer: my PhD in quantum mechanics was awarded over 30 years ago. A lot of brain cells have decayed since then.]

30 posted on 01/14/2002 8:55:51 PM PST by John Locke
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So this means that me, Homer Simpson, and Al Bundy are one? Now that is a concept that I find hard to believe.BWHAHA.
36 posted on 01/14/2002 9:00:37 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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Interesting article, but I had the strange urge to put some Ravi Shankar sitar music on while reading it. ;~)
38 posted on 01/14/2002 9:01:43 PM PST by The Cajun
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bump for a later read.
44 posted on 01/14/2002 9:11:50 PM PST by Not now, Not ever!
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Here is something ya'll might want to think about, Genesis 1:26 "And God said let us make man in our image after our likeness". The word image in the Strongs as used here means tselem tseh'-lem: to shade; a phantom, i.e. an illusion.

There is one example of several that makes one go hummm.

53 posted on 01/14/2002 9:21:01 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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