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Ban on the Display of Aborted Fetus Signs (Need help in Wisconsin, please FREEP this poll)
WISCTV3 ^ | January 15, 2002

Posted on 01/15/2002 7:29:08 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus

MONROE, Wis. -- An abortion opponent who publicizes his protests with large scale pictures of aborted fetuses said he's ready to continue his fight against Monroe if the city adopts another sign ordinance.

The Common Council will hold a public hearing tonight on a second try at a sign ordinance.

The first one it adopted was declared unconstitutional after Pastor Ralph Ovadal (pictured last summer at a Mazomanie nude beach protest) and Christ the King Church challenged it.

The previous ordinance restricted the signs to 3 square feet, except for business signs.

Ovadal and his followers had taken their large signs to the city's business square where Planned Parenthood has an office.

City officials agreed to repeal the first ordinance and dismiss citations against Ovadal and his group to settle the federal lawsuit.

Ovadal says the new sign proposal is simply the old one dusted off.

Ovadal and other church members were cited earlier last year for placing literature on parked cars in Monroe that was critical of Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin and for displaying signs in a grassy area along side Highway 69 in Monroe.


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To: Dog Gone
I don't understand why you would want to hide this information?

Those pictures are nothing to be ashamed of! Abortion is a right a woman has to her own body...it has nothing to do with any babies or other lives!

There's nothing disgusting about an aborted fetus. Stop being ashamed of your Constitutional right.

Are women going to start be secretive about all their rights? Going to the polls in disguise; dressing as men in the workplace?

21 posted on 01/15/2002 7:52:35 PM PST by Verax
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To: mdittmar
Amen to that ... the "will be" option.
22 posted on 01/15/2002 7:54:26 PM PST by JennysCool
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Bump, freeped. Not looking too good right now.
23 posted on 01/15/2002 7:55:25 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: Verax
There's a difference between hiding it and shoving it in people's faces.

I'm pro-life and I sure don't want to see it. I think it hurts the cause.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not going to argue that there shouldn't be a free speech right to do it.

I'm just arguing that common sense tells you that you shouldn't do it, unless your goal is to offend people and be hated.

24 posted on 01/15/2002 7:58:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: marylina; homeschool mama;Dr. Good Will Hunting; ArGee;JMJ333;Khepera
Vote, if you will please.
25 posted on 01/15/2002 8:02:53 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: EODGUY
Ping to ya.
26 posted on 01/15/2002 8:05:25 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Dog Gone
Why can't we weep for the child who lost his life because of our indifference or malice?

Baby Malachi, A History

Baby Malachi

This little baby boy was found frozen in a jar with three other little children at an abortion mill in Dallas, Texas, in February 1993. We were stunned when we found him. There were jars upon jars of frozen children in that abortion mill. Rhonda Mackey, our executive secretary, brought this one jar out and asked me what we should do with it. I had no idea, but I instinctively knew we could not leave it there. We brought the jar to Dr. McCarty, a wonderful Ob-Gyn in Dallas, who put the pieces of this baby and the others back together.

The entire process was put on video as Dr. McCarty, and all who were present, wept at the reconstruction of these precious children. The life that was once there was now gone forever. It became apparent to all of us that God had given us these children, one in particular, to show to the entire world the horror of abortion. One picture can speak louder than a truckload of words.

We prayed, and asked God to allow this little boy to speak to our nation. We remembered the scripture in Hebrews 11:4: "…he still speaks, even though he is dead." It was upon a very specific revelation from our Lord that we had the picture of one baby blown up to poster size. Rhonda asked me if she might have the privilege of naming this little baby boy. She prayed, and God gave her the name that this child would become known by all over the world - Malachi!

This name strikes terror in the hearts of those who kill children, for they know that this child, more than anything else, reveals the incredible horror of what abortion really is. It strikes terror in the hearts of pastors who know they should be taking a bold stand for our Lord's children but realize that, if they do, they will suffer at the hands of their own congregations. It brings terror to Christians who do not want to be confronted with their sin in such a graphic manner. It brings terror to those who agree with their lips that abortion is murder, but by their actions prove that it is really OK! Yes, the picture of baby Malachi exposes the hypocrisy that resides in all of our hearts.

The name Malachi literally means my messenger. Rhonda couldn't wait to share what God had revealed to her. God was going to use Malachi to be a messenger to His church, to our nation, and to the world. Yes, Malachi would reveal the truth that abortion is murder, and that we must speak for those who, like Malachi, cannot speak for themselves. I reminded her of the last verse in the last book of the Old Testament: "He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers…." Malachi 4:6.

We prayed that Malachi would indeed be the messenger that would turn the hearts of fathers to their children. He has done that. Yes, he has done that and so much more! Though he is dead, yet he still speaks! Thousands upon thousands of children have been saved because of his precious little life. It lasted only 21 weeks, yet fathers are now joining the battle to defend the defenseless.

We buried Malachi at the Cemetery of the Innocents in Dallas, Texas, in the summer of 1993. The funeral was held at the mammoth front portico of the Dallas City Hall. Hundreds gathered to pay their last respects to Malachi. We loved him deeply though we knew him not. When those in City Hall realized that we were having a funeral for a real child they demanded that the Dallas Police put a stop to the whole funeral. Captain Kowalski, the head of SWAT in Dallas, told his superiors that he would in no way violate this funeral. This man, who had arrested us on several occasions, now joined with us in honoring the life of this one small (so very small) child. He stood for Jesus. HE STOOD!

When he relayed to me that he would not interfere with the memorial service, nor would he allow anyone else to interfere, I wept. I wept because I knew that Captain Kowalski was now taking his stand and all his officers knew it - all City Hall knew it! I wept because I knew that Malachi was beginning his missionary journey and that he was already fulfilling the purpose for his short life.

Listen to these words, you mothers and fathers who have aborted your children. Listen to these words you, who have failed so miserably and found there is no way to undo the wrong you have done. Hear the word God and your child are speaking to you: "You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives." Genesis 50:20.

If you know the mother and father of Baby Malachi, would you please tell them that God is using him powerfully to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves? Will you please let them know, that though they intended him harm, God is using it for good? Will you please tell them that God loves them and that the guilt that has driven them so far from Him can be overcome in one divine moment? Please let them know that it is time to come home to Jesus.

27 posted on 01/15/2002 8:12:33 PM PST by victim soul
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To: Dog Gone;Fish out of Water;JennysCool
I'm sorry to hear that you won't support the legality this kind of "unpleasant" political speech. Many people like you felt the same way about that seditious Declaration of Independence. Many thought that it was too offensive and would ultimately be counter-productive. They were cowards.

These photographs are the most accurate image of abortion available. Those who fear the revelation of the truth usually have something to hide.

28 posted on 01/15/2002 8:12:52 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Dog Gone
I like the fact that some people care enough about an issue to get off their ass and do something. Besides that, I always did like the idea of smacking the obscenely ignorant rabble right in the face with reality.
Anything to wake them up.
29 posted on 01/15/2002 8:14:55 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Voted and bumped.
30 posted on 01/15/2002 8:15:33 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
This is what were up against,click on link for more quotes:

Part One: Informed Consent Why do we need laws about informed consent? Don't abortion clinics give accurate information to the women seeking abortion?

"It is when I am holding a plastic uterus in one hand, a suction tube in the other, moving them together in imitation of the scrubbing to come, that woman ask the most secret question. I am speaking in a matter-of-fact voice about 'the tissue' and 'the contents' when the woman suddenly catches my eye and says 'How big is the baby now?' These words suggest a quiet need for definition of the boundaries being drawn. It isn't so odd, after all, that she feels relief when I describe the growing buds bulbous shape, its miniature nature. Again, I gauge, and sometimes lie a little, weaseling around its infantile features until its clinging power slackens."

abortion worker Sallie Tisdale "We Do Abortions Here" Oct 1987 Harpers Magazine p 68

"In my facilities, I always gave option counseling. Of course you make the abortion the most appealing. I told them about adoption and about foster care and about [when there was welfare] assistance. The typical way it would go is, "Well, you know you can place your baby out for adoption." But then, in the second breath you would say, "That's an option available to you, but you also have to realize that there's going to be a baby of yours out here somewhere in the world you will never see again. At least with abortion you know what's happening. You can go on with your life...The longer I was in it, the less I cared, so I really didn't really care what my conscience said. My conscience was totally numb anyway. But what it did do was public relations-wise. You were able, when a reporter or TV crew came, to pull out a packet of information for the patients to read and they received it. So what can anybody say? Publicly it looked good -- in reality it was another tool that was used to force a woman into abortion. It's typical -- I would give them an option and then shoot it down. The only option you didn't shoot down, obviously, was abortion."

Former clinic owner Eric Harrah quoted by Dr. Jack Willke and Brad Mattes

31 posted on 01/15/2002 8:22:14 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: Dog Gone
These pictures are way out of people's comfort zones. Too bad people - the sheeple- need to see this to believe. They could spare those of us who don't need to see pictures.
The babies need our protection.
32 posted on 01/15/2002 8:26:03 PM PST by RLJVet
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To: mdittmar
Great site, Thanks!
33 posted on 01/15/2002 8:28:36 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Meanwhile your tax dollars support crap covered paintings, crosses in urine and a whole Host of other disgusting things..

But you had better NEVER print what we do to unborn children.. That's beyond the pale and cannot be tolerated.

The damage we do must remain secret, lest people become aware of the devistation.

34 posted on 01/15/2002 8:29:52 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Voted.

On a side note, is Ovedale the same guy freaking out about nudity on beaches?

35 posted on 01/15/2002 8:30:50 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
We're gaining ground:
Yes 166 40%
No 245 60%
36 posted on 01/15/2002 8:31:05 PM PST by xsive_guy
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To: Jhoffa_
Good point! An actual fetus in a jar in a museum would be sacred free speech to these same people who want to ban the posters.
37 posted on 01/15/2002 8:34:56 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
The power of a photo of an aborted fetus is awesome. Nothing gets people more riled up, whether they are for abortion or not. People who are in favor of every sort of violence and filth being readily accessible to the masses break their own rules when it comes to the sight of disembodied healthy babies -- something that, in most cases, they don't have a problem with as long as they don't have to see the truth.

...And that's what those pictures are -- the truth.

Think about it.

38 posted on 01/15/2002 8:34:59 PM PST by L.N. Smithee
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To: Bella_Bru
Thanks for voting. Yes he is the same guy, but I think it's more about the tax dollars being used to fund it.
39 posted on 01/15/2002 8:37:17 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Keep freeping it.

Should Ovadal be able to protest abortion using large pictures of aborted fetuses?
Choice Votes Percent of 427 votes
Yes 179 42%
No 248 58%

They really want to have their cake and eat it too, don't they. Have abortions, but not permits anti-abortion photos to be used in advertisements.

40 posted on 01/15/2002 8:38:17 PM PST by Salvation
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