[B Knotts]

I disagree. I don't remember any of the ads for 187, but the reason I voted for it was very simple: it applied to illegal aliens. Not Hispanics. Illegal aliens.

For crying out loud, if we can't even deny state services to people that aren't legally in the country, why should we even bother to have immigration laws, or really, any laws?

[B Knotts]

I should add that I'm not trying to be a "meanie" and keep people from eating or anything like that. But you know as well as I do that the services the state provides are an additional enticement for people considering entering illegally. So, at some point, you have to remove the incentive.

The taxpayers need to eat, too.

[Poohbah]

I disagree. I don't remember any of the ads for 187, but the reason I voted for it was very simple: it applied to illegal aliens. Not Hispanics. Illegal aliens.

Unlike you, I do remember the ads.

My first thought was that Tom Metzger had been hired as a consultant. My second thought was that the backers of 187 were trying to make conservatives look like racists.

For crying out loud, if we can't even deny state services to people that aren't legally in the country, why should we even bother to have immigration laws, or really, any laws?

Fine, then sell it solely on that basis. The way it got sold was guaranteed to make Repulicans look like crazed skinheads.