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All typos and misspellings are mine. If you are not a member, please join the NRA. It is still the best and most effective Pro-2a org out there. They were a major force behind CCW in my state, and have stopped EVERY ASD bill in this state that I can remember. We are winning here, and largely thanks to the NRA, as well as MCRGO.

More importantly, learn about your township boards, city councils, and county commishioners views on guns. Much of the zoning laws and the like are on that level, not to mention that todays township supervisor is tomorrow's state rep.

I haven't heard of range closing in Livingston County, but when I was growing up there, there was 100,000 people in the county. Now there is 150,000+ and and is rapidly developing. IT's becoming suburbia. I used to be able to hunt across the street from my dad's house. Not anymore. Too many homes.

We need to make more inroads in the cities in the shooting sports, and we need to control sprawl as well. This is a conservative issue.

1 posted on 04/06/2002 5:10:09 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
"They ban silencers, and then ban shooting ranges because they are too noisy." - J. Ross, Unintended Consequences
2 posted on 04/06/2002 5:15:06 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Dan from Michigan
All around America, as cities spread and surburbs sprawl, anti-gun forces are misusing noise nuisance lawsuits, zoning restrictions, ever-stricter environmental laws, and other bureaucratic restrictions to put shooting ranges on the run.

I don't believe it. The anti-gun people would never misuse the legal system to harass people who are politically inconvenient in order to push their agenda. /sarcasm

3 posted on 04/06/2002 5:28:01 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Dan from Michigan
One of things that I have been seeing from the anti-gunners is their use/abuse of environmental regs and agencies. They claim that the lead bullets are bad for the environment. Their claims are ludicrous but they get the attention of the EPA, who has an endless checkbook. If you go against them, they'll spend you to death. You'll lose everything defending yourself.
4 posted on 04/06/2002 5:32:53 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: glock rocks
Ping!
5 posted on 04/06/2002 5:33:13 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Dan from Michigan
We've lost both of our outdoor ranges this year. The second one just this week. BS, pure and simple.


Gadsen

6 posted on 04/06/2002 5:36:13 PM PST by Gadsen
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To: bang_list
BOOM
7 posted on 04/06/2002 5:42:15 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan, Travis McGee, Squantos, Sit-rep, AAABEST
I ran into this problem a few years ago. I'm rural, but my property has a few houses around it in all directions and I have no suitable backstop. My brother and I used to regularly shoot on his mother-in-law's property until a subdivision started developing behind her land. Complaints about "noise" started so that soon stopped. I used to travel about a half-hour to my parents' farm to shoot, but due to a "spat" with them about a year ago (not gun-related), I don't go there anymore.

Most of the "sportsman's clubs" in the area are nothing more than drinking teams with hunting and fishing problems, and their yearly fees are outrageous with sometimes a year or two waiting list just to get in - provided you have the bucks.

However, there is a country store/gun shop just down the road from me where the owner lets me shoot out back. (My wife works there and I'm one of his best customers.) It's only 100 yds, but a good place to shoot handguns or get a new scope to hit the paper. I just recently did some work for a fellow who owns land near the Licking River (yes, that's the real name). By my best estimate so far, his flats along the river are in the 400+ yd. range. I offered to pay him to use the area. He only asked that I don't drink or litter in the area. I told him the only sign of me being there would be an occasional stray casing. The .308 will surely get a workout this summer.

Finding a decent range to shoot is sometimes frustrating - even though I live in the country. Since I'm a strong supporter of private property rights, I don't think fighting "urban sprawl" is necessarily the answer. If someone wants to develop his land, that's his right. I think once the anti's get the "environmental hazard" ball rolling to shut down ranges, urban sprawl will be the least of our worries.

Any of you guys have problems finding a suitable range? When it comes time for me to buy another house, range area will be priority number one.

8 posted on 04/06/2002 5:49:55 PM PST by pocat
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To: Dan from Michigan; All
If any of you have property, do NOT allow any portion to be used for a public range. Unless, of course, you and your descendants unto the xth generation never plan to SELL the property. The LEAD CLEANUP costs will DESTROY your investment. Take it from someone who knows...my great-grandfathers' ranch had a shooting range, and it took HALF THE VALUE of the property to clean up that damned range before we, his descendants, could sell. If you do have a range, DO NOT LET ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY use it. You have to sue to get them to help in the clean up.
12 posted on 04/06/2002 6:10:29 PM PST by SR71A
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To: Dan from Michigan
Practice makes Perfect
16 posted on 04/06/2002 6:44:15 PM PST by Soul Citizen
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To: Dan from Michigan
Thank-you for posting this. I'll bump it all night if I have to.

Back in the sixties and seventies I could get in a car, ride a little out of town and set up a range in the woods or field. Now I have an 11 year old son and I can only take him to an indoor range. He doesn't like it and I don't blame him because feral jocks bring 45-70 or whatever pistols to the range and make the place sound like a nuclear test site. We just want to shoot our .22's, .410's and .38's. But we have nowhere to go. I think NRA needs to do something like the Nature Conservancy and buy land that people can shoot on. I know that I give minimal to the NRA but I will give all I can to an effort like this.

17 posted on 04/06/2002 6:57:26 PM PST by groanup
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To: Dan from Michigan
When I used to live in Sacramento, CA I would have to drive over an hour to get to a decent shooting range near Yuba City, CA. The other range they had was near Rancho Cordova, CA and cost $8 per day and they were way too strict with their rules (probably because some gun hater was aching to shut it down).

When I moved to Ogden, Utah I found they had a nice shooting range real close by that only costs $30 a year for a membership or $3 per day. The range is only open on the weekends in the winter however.

There is a major problem with the need for shooting ranges in the United States, especially in the liberal states.

30 posted on 04/07/2002 5:43:42 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: Dan from Michigan
"And they can't shut down, because they would have to reimburse the state for matching grants..."

Always a bad idea to make deals with the devil. Government money means lose of rights. I don't care if it's states taking Federal grants, or schools or shooting ranges. It's wrong to get tangled in the state money octopus. There will always be strings attached to any money from any government.

31 posted on 04/07/2002 6:03:43 PM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: all
BTTT
32 posted on 05/01/2002 11:24:16 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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