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To: anotherview
In exile, the Jews were always exposed to both physical destruction and religious persecution by both the Christian crusades and the Islamic Jihad.

Enough is indeed enough. I'm sick and tired of people saying Christians persecuted anyone. Real Christians don't do this. You don't see Christians going around blaming all Jews for crucifying Jesus Christ, the Lord of lords and King of kings and saviour of he whole wide world, do you?

No, of course not. Real Christians don't persecute or hate anyone.

Enough already!

4 posted on 04/19/2002 5:09:18 PM PDT by RickyJ
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To: RickyJ
Actually, yes some do. A recent Rome newspaper showed a picture of a baby Jesus in the manger surrounded by Israeli tanks asking "Do they mean to kill me again?"

To my Christian friends: you need to understand the history of the church is filled with anti-Semetism. Note that I said history. That is not a reflection of your personal views, nor those of the majority American Christians today.

You may say that those who hold anti-Semetic views aren't "real Christians", and I would agree with you in the sense that they do not follow the teachings of Jesus as I understand them. However, the Christian world generally refers to all of those who call themselves Christians and attend a Christian church, regardless of denomination. Some evangelicals may tell me, for example, that Catholics aren't real Christians, but most Catholics would argue the point. They, and most of the world, see themselves as Christian. Do you mean to tell mt that the Catholic church was never anti-Semetic? I somehow doubt that.

The Rabbi's article is not anti-Christian. It does point out some very real history, and some very dark things were done in Christ's name.

I don't hold today's Germans responsible for the Holocaust. Most of them weren't even born at the time, and many more were just small children. Yet Germans are keenly aware of their history. Those who identify as Christian need to be equally keenly aware of the history of those who went before them and called themselves Christians. Be intellectually honest, please.

6 posted on 04/19/2002 5:20:45 PM PDT by anotherview
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To: RickyJ
I am a Christian, but I chose to embrace and learn wisdom from some of the darker days in the history of Christianity.

Yes, that which is called "the church" is often not a church, or a people of God, but it is perceived as being so.

In the name of Christianity, people, including Jews, have been persecuted.

11 posted on 04/19/2002 5:51:28 PM PDT by Selara
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To: RickyJ
Enough is indeed enough. I'm sick and tired of people saying Christians persecuted anyone. Real Christians don't do this. Martin Luther has advocated killing Jewsd and burning the sinagogues. Are Lutherans Christians?

You don't see Christians going around blaming all Jews for crucifying Jesus Christ, Just a few days ago, an Italian newspaper published a cartoon showing an Israeli tank pointing its gun at the crib with Crist in it.

I do not know whether to laugg or to cry at your remark. For centuries, Jewish mothers across Europe would not let their children play outside diring Easter. A large number of pogroms occurred after the Ester Mass.

No, of course not. Real Christians don't persecute or hate anyone. I guess you are correct. But then "real" Christianity, just like "real" Judaism has not been tried yet --- if by real you mean perfect. I am glad that you are surrounded by decent people. Apparently, in your world there is not much evil. At the same time, you must be a victim of a public shool, for I know not how you could perceive that the world is made up of people like your friends.

Unless, of course, your words were said tong-in-cheek. <

19 posted on 04/19/2002 8:03:29 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: RickyJ
Real Christians don't persecute or hate anyone

I agree with you on this but I think the article is interesting and makes a few good points. I can certainly understand this author's frustration Israel is under.

I find the opening and closing sentences contradict each other. Israel allows us to bless them with our resources and support but then wishes us to stay completely out of their affairs. The world of politics just doesn't work like that.

21 posted on 04/19/2002 8:13:38 PM PDT by Boxsford
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