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I post this just to remind us all who Cardinal George is and what he has done and failed to do as Archbishop of Chicago.
1 posted on 04/25/2002 4:43:48 PM PDT by history_matters
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2 posted on 04/25/2002 4:44:47 PM PDT by history_matters
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Cdl George says: If there is something I need to know about sexual abuse of a child by one of the priests of the Archdiocese, I ask you to have the victim contact me.

Sorry - the victims need to contact the local district attorney. The chancery is the LAST place victims or their families should contact.

3 posted on 04/25/2002 5:12:27 PM PDT by ikanakattara
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I disagree totally with Brady's tactic. Cardinal George is a good man. He inherited tremendous problems created by Bernadin. The radical 'so-called' Catholics hate his guts and have worked intensely to ignore everything he says. Now, he has a traditional Catholic breathing down his neck. Brady needs to clean it up. In Texas, we call it being downright "ugly".
4 posted on 04/25/2002 5:22:46 PM PDT by Slyfox
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Cardinal George obviously needs to stop looking the other way, but he does have a point about Mr. Brady sounding like Call to Action and being more careful about where he makes his accusations. If Mr. Brady is irresponsible he may do more harm then good. On the issue of general absolution, I don't think the cardinal has any excuse and he should be ashamed to even say what he did.
5 posted on 04/25/2002 5:23:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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While I can't disclose here right now, but Cardinal George is taking care of the problem.
7 posted on 04/25/2002 5:31:58 PM PDT by MagnusMat
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10 posted on 04/25/2002 6:15:54 PM PDT by Bob J
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After reading this exchange I can finally understand why some former Catholics choose schism to the SSPX rather than staying and having to deal with heretics like this Cardinal. I dont' agree with their decision, I think their souls are in danger; but I completely understand, because the emotions stoked up in me arouse a deep infatuation with that path.
13 posted on 04/25/2002 7:12:13 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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Thanks. Sadly.
14 posted on 04/25/2002 7:15:26 PM PDT by sobieski
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However, when we attempted to provide you with photos of clergy misconduct last year in connection with the St. Sebastian Website, you faxed me a letter in which you said that you would not look at these homosexual photos because they could be a near occasion of sin for you.

What are we, the faithful, to make of such a statement from a Prince of the Church?

"Scandals will inevitably arise, but woe to him through whom they come. He would be better off thrown into the sea with a millstone around his neck than giving scandal to one of these little ones." Luke 17:2
17 posted on 04/25/2002 7:31:06 PM PDT by Antoninus
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I'm with slyfox and nickcarraway on this one. After such a calm response from the Cardinal, to speak like this to him "In this remark, your cowardice and insincerity are laid bare" is not the mark of a man with Christ's charity in him. That was nasty, and did not in any way contribute to any resolution. If you or anyone can explain how God's glory was helped by such a statement, I would love to hear it.

When RCF first came out I fully supported the approach. The lay faithful gathering evidence on bad bishops and priests, and using it to remove the wolves. That is still a good idea, but the hatred and vitriol here show that RCF is not the group to do it. I can't support a man who acts like that. Challenge Cardinal George yes, call him names? Why?

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23 posted on 04/25/2002 8:46:50 PM PDT by patent
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I thought you should know this before you condemn the Lord's Anointed.

A GROUP OF PROMINENT Chicago priests has requested a meeting with Archbishop Francis George, telling the Roman Catholic leader that criticisms he has made during parish visits in his first few months on the job "left damage in your wake.''

George, according to their report, has been tagged by some with the unfortunate nickname "Francis the Corrector.'' The sobriquet refers to the archbishop's reported disapproval of some practices he has encountered, from the order in which lay ministers received communion at one parish to the absence of kneelers in a seminary chapel....

In addition to the communion practice and kneelers, specific concerns listed in the report include George's intervention in the debate in Oak Park over gay rights, his insistence that priests wear gray vestments at funerals and comments he supposedly made regarding foreign priests -- comments the archdiocese has since asserted were misreported....

"We will resist being treated as branch managers for some huge international corporation who simply take orders from headquarters, be that at the Vatican or at the Pastoral Center (which serves as archdiocesan headquarters),'' the report asserts.

32 posted on 04/25/2002 11:35:24 PM PDT by heyheyhey
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Good reading,
Priests judge their archbishop.
36 posted on 04/25/2002 11:54:10 PM PDT by heyheyhey
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His comparing of Brady's tone to that of "Call to Action" stinks of hubris and hate.

Bet he amused himself with that one.

68 posted on 04/26/2002 9:02:22 AM PDT by Askel5
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Please, no witch hunts oK?
73 posted on 04/26/2002 9:15:21 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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Did your investigation reveal that RCF DID have evidence?
76 posted on 04/26/2002 9:17:51 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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bump for later
88 posted on 04/26/2002 9:43:21 AM PDT by don-o
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It looks like Cardinal George is in more hot water . . .

Comment by George stirs anger

April 26, 2002

BY ART GOLAB STAFF REPORTER

At the historic Vatican meetings earlier this week, Cardinal Francis George emerged as a spokesman for the American cardinals and bishops discussing the crisis of sexual abuse of minors by priests.

But one of his comments has a local feminist group and a sexual abuse survivors group seeing red.

While talking to reporters, George drew a distinction between serial pedophiles, such as defrocked Boston priest John Geoghan, and a priest who has sex with an underage girl.

''There is a difference between a moral monster like Geoghan, who preys upon little children and does so in a serial fashion, and to someone who, perhaps under the influence of alcohol, engages in an action with a 17- or 16-year-old young woman who returns his affection,'' George said Tuesday.

''That is still a crime in every instance, and so the civil law doesn't distinguish. In terms of the culpability and in terms of the possibility to reform one's life, they are two very different sets of circumstances.''

That prompted a call for his resignation from Catherine Caporusso Hartman, vice president of the Chicago chapter of the National Organization for Women.

"He's saying that there's a difference between sexual abuse of a young child and a priest getting a little drunk and having sex with a 16- or 17-year-old girl," Hartman said. "He's trying to minimize things when he should be showing that he takes all of this seriously. Now he's trying to make a subset of sexual abuse not as serious as another."

Hartman acknowledged she hadn't heard the second part of George's comment--where he noted that both acts are still a crime.

"I didn't get that part of the statement," she said. "But he still doesn't seem to understand the reason why there are stiffer penalties [for statutory rape] in the case of a person in authority like a priest."

On Thursday, George said he thought he made it plain that both types of behavior are bad.

"I can understand why they're upset with me. If I really did think that it didn't matter about abusing young women, I should resign. I don't think I said that, I know I didn't mean it,'' he told NBC-Channel 5 in a telephone interview from Philadelphia.

George told Channel 5 he'd like to meet with NOW and his other critics. He will be in Philadelphia with the other American cardinals until Saturday. Before leaving for the Vatican last week, George told Chicago reporters that while a pedophile cannot be reformed and should not be allowed to minister again, whether to forever bar a priest who had sex with a teenage girl is ''a somewhat open question.''

His comments at the Vatican also drew fire from the Survivors Network for those Abused by Priests.

''It's ludicrous to think that a teenager has the freedom to make a choice,'' said Barbara Blaine, the group's Chicago-based president and founder, who was herself abused by a priest.

Contributing: AP


''There is a difference between a moral monster like Geoghan, who preys upon little children and does so in a serial fashion, and to someone who, perhaps under the influence of alcohol, engages in an action with a 17- or 16-year-old young woman who returns his affection,'' George said Tuesday.

Didn't Jesus teach that ALL sin is equally deadly? Isn't sex of any type outside of the bounds of Marrige a sin?

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99 posted on 04/26/2002 10:00:15 AM PDT by Mr_Magoo
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I post this just to remind us all who Cardinal George is and what he has done and failed to do as Archbishop of Chicago.

Tell me about it. Guess where I am.

If I could, I would move to the Diocese of Rockford, which is only a few miles away. God bless Archbishop Doran!

101 posted on 04/26/2002 10:12:13 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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