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Not only should pilots be armed, but the unconstitutional restraints on passengers should be removed immediately.

Mr. President, what the government is doing in airline safety on your watch is unconscionable. The Second Amendment is explicit, "..the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The words except when flying on commerical airlines does not appear anywhere in this document. You are violating the oath you took to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Mr. President, if you do not reconsider your position on airline safety immediately, I hope the House of Representatives will move with immediate dispatch to Impeach and remove you from office because of your transgressions against the Constitution.

1 posted on 05/22/2002 9:11:51 AM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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Terrorists arround the world are laughing their asses off....no profiling.. no guns for pilots.
no real immigration restraints...sheesh
2 posted on 05/22/2002 9:17:44 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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The United States Government response to stop terrorism...

Explicitly eliminate the ability for the good guys to carry protection for use when the bad guys attack...

Explicitly in the place where the terrorism actually occurred... And could very well occur again...

Ask yourself this:

If the government actually was playing for the other side, (and therefore wanted to make it easier for terrorists), how would their actions have been any different from what they actually did???

Total elimination of the ability of the innocent to protect their one and only lives...

3 posted on 05/22/2002 9:21:04 AM PDT by Ferris
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Mr. President, if you do not reconsider your position on airline safety immediately, I hope the House of Representatives will move with immediate dispatch to Impeach and remove you from office because of your transgressions against the Constitution.

I want properly trained pilots, be given the okay to carry firearms on plane flights and I want the Bush administration to support such an approach. But how the feds unwillingness, to agree to this action, leads to the House impeaching President Bush is beyond the pale. There is nothing, ansolutely nothing, in the law or the Cosntitution, that would authorize such an outrageous process to occur.

Frankly, I think this is irrational thinking and inflammatory rhetoric that has no basis in fact. If you've got a good explanation, that shows some legal precedent and isn't just more incoherent rantings, give it to us.

6 posted on 05/22/2002 9:28:54 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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Transportation Security Administration Director John W. Magaw is a former ATF agent of course he doesn't want anyone to be armed. He also seems to think airliners can manuver like jet fighters also. He's watched Airplane too many times.
7 posted on 05/22/2002 9:31:01 AM PDT by cva66snipe
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Transportation Security Administration Director John W. Magaw told the Senate that it is more important to keep pilots focused on flying their planes and that other steps are being taken to protect them.

What an idiotic statement. Most of these pilots are ex-military. They commonly carry a sidearm with them on missions. Somehow they manage to remain focused on performing violent combat maneuvers while carrying a sidearm, but they can't remain focused on flying a commerial plane if they are carrying?

14 posted on 05/22/2002 9:52:40 AM PDT by FlyVet
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Guns for pilots would serve only to remedy old school hijackings. The strategy of telling pilots to fly the plane and allow every single passenger to be killed is absolutely correct. Even if 95% of the time a pilot with a gun could leave the cockpit and subdue hijackers, the 5% risk of putting a hijacker in the cockpit is too risky.

The pilots have a 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun, but they don't have any Constitutional right to fly. They can choose.

15 posted on 05/22/2002 9:57:14 AM PDT by Kaisersrsic
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Pilots should simply announce that flying unarmed in the current security environment is too dangerous for takeoff - and that, unless armed, they won't fly. Passengers should do the same thing. Both should give Washington five days to get its act together - or watch the scare-lines go broke.

As for Bush, he's throwing away 2004 - by his sellout by having idiots like Magaw and Mineta as appointees. Gun-rights activists won't turn out for him again next time if this keeps up.

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21 posted on 05/22/2002 10:08:23 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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For the first time since 9/11 I took a flight - I had my wife with me. I was amazed at the level of anxiety I experienced on the flight. There were no less than 8 men who looked to be middle-eastern and I was shocked at how much concern I had over their actions on the flight. I know this will probably get me flamed for even saying it - but one of them in particular had me completely freaked out. He got up and moved about the airplane no less than 8 times. In his defense he had his family with him and they were regularly getting up to go to the rest room - but there were other people with families on board who didn't get up at all.

At one point he looked at the back of the aircraft (where these other men were sitting) and raised his eyebrows. Typing that now it seems so harmless - but in my heightened state of sensitivity it freaked me out. And I wasn't alone - my wife and her friend (a travel agent) noticed it too and exchanged glances with me.

As the flight was approaching Chicago I began to wonder what would happen at 30 minutes till landing. Sure enough 3 of them got up (including the man with a family). I was in a state of complete agitation because the sheer coincidence of timing (30 minutes out seems like an opportune time to do something without people being able to organize a response) was more than I was prepared to deal with. But at the same time that's when the pilot makes his announcement (usually) about being 30 minutes out and most people make a last dash for the lavatory.

Frankly, in hindsight my imagination was completely out of control but was shocked at how defensless and vulnerable I felt. I was sitting by the window with my wife and her friend between me and the aisle.

I say give the pilots a gun and let them shoot the heck out of anyone who tries to force their way into the cockpit.

The return flight was a piece of cake. I did not have near the same level of anxiety that I did on the flight up. Just the normal "I'm 35,000 feet in the air in a 15 ton piece of metal" kind of anxiety.

25 posted on 05/22/2002 10:26:27 AM PDT by Frapster
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Cmon FReepers! It's SO obvious what Bush is doing. He's looking to 2004, and positioning himself to have more appeal to the lilly-livered moderate voters! Realistically- where else can we conservatives go? The Republicans are the lesser of two evils. President Bush is also taking away the Media's ability to call him the NRA President, or say he's in the NRA's back pocket! I mean-get real!! Part of Politics involves staying in office.
26 posted on 05/22/2002 10:32:02 AM PDT by Destructor
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Isn't this MORON MAGAW the same imbicile who took over BATF after Steven "Meet Me in Waco, Janet" Higgins hit the silk of his golden federal pension parachute after the Randy Weaver debacle?

Oh yeah, this Magaw dork REALLY wants PRIVATE firearms to be painted as potentially beneficial, life-saving instruments in the minds of a public just about conditioned by decades of Handgun Control propaganda that they are ONLY for the murder of innocents.

NOT!!

Mr. Bush, FIRE MINETA, MACGAW and RIDGE -- TODAY (unless, of course, you agree with the Schumer, Hollings wing of the DemoCRAP party).

Think about that NEXT incident and how you're going to feel when you pull the trigger on a plane full of citizens because you refused to allow the crew that last line of defense of their ship.

27 posted on 05/22/2002 10:38:12 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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Transportation Security Administration Director John W. Magaw told the Senate that it is more important to keep pilots focused on flying their planes and that other steps are being taken to protect them.

This is about the most stupid response that anyone could possibly make. Obviously in 99,999 flights out of every 100,000 there would be no reason for the pilot not to be focused on flying the plane. But when the need arises for a pilot to defend himself--when he is under attack by a murderous thug, intent upon killing the pilot and seizing the plane--it is obvious to every rational being (and that is probably a catagory that does not include people who work in the Department of Transportation) that the absolutely paramount need at that moment is to take out the murderous thug! If you cannot understand that, you have no business holding a pretentious sounding position as "Security Administration Director."

Of course, stupidity aside--and this man must really be stupid--the present policy is an insult to pilots, reflecting the demeaning attitude of Government in general to this once dynamic, free people. A pilot is in a position analogous to the Captain of a ship. He is supposed to be in Command of his plane during its flight. Why, in the name of a Society based upon a responsible citizenry, should anyone but he have any say as to what reasonable means he chooses to employ to protect his person and his position of authority? Do the dysrons, who probably surround the stupid Mr. Magaw, have a clue as to what personal responsibility is all about? What traditional American values are all about?

Do any of these people have any role in an American Government? Do you think that George Washington would have trusted one of these specimens of our degeneration as a political society, to tether his horse? I don't think so.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

30 posted on 05/22/2002 10:56:51 AM PDT by Ohioan
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Guns are bad.

Action to defend yourself is bad.

Responsibility is bad.

The State is good.

55 posted on 05/23/2002 6:32:48 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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I will only fly on airlines that allow their pilots to carry firearms. I see nothing but a lot of driving in my immediate future.



69 posted on 05/27/2002 10:15:37 AM PDT by who knows what evil?
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John W. Magaw

BAC, If I recollect right, this guy was the head of the Marshall service. Those folks who started the ball rolling at Ruby Ridge. He was also an extreme appologist for the actions of the BATF post WACO. This guy wants NO civilians to have access to firearms for self defense purposes. As he mentioned in this article, "they" are bringing in others to care for the pilots while they fly the plane. I DON'T like this guy, or anybody like him! Peace and love, Gerge.

81 posted on 05/29/2002 11:22:39 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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You know, I firmly believe it's time for Americans to start to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, everywhere, always, no exceptions.
84 posted on 05/29/2002 3:43:47 PM PDT by exnavy
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I thought 3,000 innocents murdered would be enough for everyone to get a clue. I guess I was wrong. What happens next time if it is 30,000?
95 posted on 05/30/2002 4:01:05 PM PDT by sixmil
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