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Link between Saddam and New York attack: US claims
irish independent ^ | 6/5/02

Posted on 06/05/2002 9:56:41 PM PDT by knak

US security services are investigating possible new links between Iraq and the September 11 attacks. They have identified a new candidate as being the possible mastermind of the atrocity.

He was named as Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a Kuwaiti-born member of Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'ida organisation and a blood relative of Ramzi Yousef, the key figure behind the first attempt to blow up the World Trade Centre in 1993.

The officials said they believed he was at large somewhere in the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Mohammed had previously been implicated in the thwarted attempt by Yousef and others to blow up 12 airliners above the Pacific Ocean in 1995 and there were suspicions that he was involved in the bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

However, it had not been known for sure that he was involved with al-Qa'ida, let alone at such a high level.

Some hawks in the Bush administration anxious to launch a military invasion of Iraq believe that Yousef is in fact an Iraqi agent and that the man ultimately responsible for many of the terror plots of the past decade is Saddam Hussein.

The new information, suggesting that Mohammed was deeply involved in both the operational and financial planning of the September 11 attacks, came largely from captured al-Qa'ida members including Abu Zubeida, one of Osama bin Laden's closest lieutenants. ( Independent News Service)


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KEYWORDS: iraq; shaikhmohammed; sheikhmohammad; yousef
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If only this came out in our papers!
1 posted on 06/05/2002 9:56:41 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak
Yep, now we've taken care of Afghanistan now need and excuse to bomb Iraq as popular opinion isn't quite there yet.
2 posted on 06/05/2002 10:00:14 PM PDT by droberts
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3 posted on 06/05/2002 10:03:16 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: knak
Ramzi Yousef is a cover name for someone, whom we don't know. How could he be a "blood relative"? That connection may be how the Iraqis picked "Ramzi Yousef's" identity. Laurie Mylroie has written a lot about this.
4 posted on 06/05/2002 10:04:56 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: knak
According to the 911 Bible codes, Saddam is very much involved. (Don't bother telling me they've been discredited. Until a debunker steps forward who cannot himself be debunked, I'll continue to consider them.)
5 posted on 06/05/2002 10:05:03 PM PDT by brat
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To: knak
Whether this claimed familial connection supports Iraqi authorship of 9-11 would depend on who Ramzi Yousef really is, would it not? Which of Yousef's various identities is this fellow supposed to be related to?
6 posted on 06/05/2002 10:05:41 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: droberts
Who needs an excuse? We've just been on a break - sure, it's been a long break, but we are much more rested now :0)
7 posted on 06/05/2002 10:07:19 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: brat
Gotta link for that?

I frankly don't care if Saddam is linked to 9-11 or not. He is a hater, a sponsor of murder, a murderer and a brutal, viscious thug of a dictator. That's makes him qualified to be overthrown in my book.

8 posted on 06/05/2002 10:09:40 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Maybe, but what worries me is what seems to be blantant manipulation of public opinion by the setting up of patsies.
9 posted on 06/05/2002 10:10:08 PM PDT by droberts
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To: droberts
As it should bother you. It bothers me, as well... What bothers me also, though, is the apparent need to drum up public support for finishing the job... one would think that support for that would be a given, but alas in this nation of sheep...
10 posted on 06/05/2002 10:15:01 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: brat
Regardless of what the codes say, numerology is not something a Christian should be doing.
11 posted on 06/05/2002 10:17:05 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Chad Fairbanks
After the amount demonizaton of Hussein who simply asked the U.S. if we would mind him stopping the Kuwaites from slant drilling into his oil fields (to which the U.S. said no), I too am surprised at the public's resistance to bombing Iraq.
12 posted on 06/05/2002 10:21:41 PM PDT by droberts
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To: knak
From an October, 2001 interview with Laurie Mylroie for PBS's Frontline special, Gunning For Saddam:

And just so that it's very clear -- what do you think happened? Iraqi intelligence went in to the Kuwaiti files, realizing they had this man, Ramzi Yousef, who they were going to use in the years to come. So therefore they were setting up a circumstance where they would create a mole, basically, whose identity would be certified by Kuwaiti files. What do you assume happened?

When Iraq occupied Kuwait in 1990 and 1991, it used some Kuwaiti files to create false identities for key agents. It tampered with those files. It tampered with Abdul Basit Karim's files to create a false identity for Ramzi Yousef.

Questions also exist about Abdul Hakim Murad, who was convicted with Yousef in the plane bombing plot [Ed. Note: a plan to bomb 12 U.S. airplanes in the Philippines] and also claims to be born in Kuwait. Questions also exist about Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, also involved in the plane bombing, a fugitive who also claims to be born in Kuwait. People should check those files to see if they've been tampered with.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey visited Swansea, in Wales, shortly after 9-11 to investigate whether Ramzi Yousef is in fact the Kuwaiti-resident Pakastani, Abdul Basit, his currently accepted identity. He isn't telling what he found out. From a
PBS interview:

There have been press reports that you've been to the United Kingdom recently.

I've been to the United Kingdom twice this year.

Where did you stay?

Various places.

Did you go for pleasure or did you go for business?

I went for my own reasons.

It's reported that this is related to your passion about the idea that there might be state involvement, particularly Iraqi involvement, in what's been happening.

You'll have to find out about that from somebody other than me.

But the press reports are true? Untrue?

I'm not going to comment on them one way or the other.

OK. Is that because there's a secrecy rule about talking about this stuff?

Because if I do anything to help me advise the U.S. government, I'm not going to talk about it. ...


13 posted on 06/05/2002 10:30:11 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: droberts
I'm more concerned with things he HAS done, regardless of the demonization, such as the use of Chemical weapons against the kurds - if he's willing to use those types of weapons against people in his own country, what makes you think we can blindly trust him not to use them against us, either directly, or more likely through expendable proxies???

:0)

14 posted on 06/05/2002 10:31:45 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Can't trust Hussein or a bunch of others out there. How do we know he gassed Kurds or any of the other things he's been accused of doing? With all the that's being spouted by past and present administrations (and their media cohorts), you would have to go out there and personally interview Kurds to find out what really happened.
15 posted on 06/05/2002 10:38:00 PM PDT by droberts
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To: knak
We're getting maybe 5% of the info we have on these people !
16 posted on 06/05/2002 10:57:32 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: america-rules
You all need to read GWB`s speech last weekend at West Point. BYBY Saddammmnn
17 posted on 06/05/2002 11:05:36 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: brat
Isn't FR in the Bible codes?
18 posted on 06/05/2002 11:17:58 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: knak
Possible Iraqi connection in 1993 WTC bombing. Published in June 2001, three months before 911.

But the most important evidence linking the bombing to Iraq involves the passport on which Ramzi Yousef fled on the night of the attack. Yousef left on a Pakistani passport in the name of Abdul Basit Karim. He obtained that passport by going to the Pakistani consulate in New York in December 1992 with the xerox copies of the expired (1984) passport of Abdul Basit and the current (1988) passport. Yousef, claiming to be Abdul Basit, said that he had lost his passport, and asked for a new one. The consulate did not like the documentation Yousef presented, as there was no original document, but it gave him a temporary passport in the name of Abdul Basit Karim.

There really was an individual named Abdul Basit Karim. He was born in Kuwait in 1968 and raised there, as his father worked in the Sheikhdom. After Abdul Basit graduated from high school, he went to Britain, where he studied for three years. He returned to Kuwait in June 1989, after which he obtained a job in Kuwait's planning ministry - and he was in Kuwait when Iraq invaded a year later.

As Abdul Basit was a permanent resident of Kuwait, Kuwait's Interior Ministry maintained a file on him. That file appears to have been tampered with. Information that should have been in the file is not there. A xerox copy of the front page of Abdul Basit's passport is missing. Kuwaiti authorities attributed that to the Iraqi occupation. Yet they did not consider the possibility that the entire file might have been corrupted.

Moreover, there is information in Abdul Basit's file that should not be there. Above all, there is a notation that Abdul Basit and his family left Kuwait on August 26, 1990, traveling from Kuwait to Iraq, crossing from Iraq to Iran at Salamcheh (a crossing point), on their way to Pakistani Baluchistan, where they live now.

Who put that information into Abdul Basit's file and why? It is not the kind of information a traveler gives authorities when he crosses a border. He reports where he came from and the country to which he is going. He does not give his whole itinerary.

Moreover, there was no Kuwait government on August 26, 1990, as Iraq had occupied the country three weeks earlier. Hundreds of thousands of people were fleeing Kuwait and Iraq at the time. It is doubtful than an Iraqi bureaucrat sat in Kuwait's Interior Ministry, recording the travel plans of everyone who left Kuwait.

Finally, Yousef's fingerprints are in Abdul Basit's file in Kuwait. Yousef was fingerprinted when he entered the US, and American authorities later sent his fingerprints to Kuwait. The fingerprints matched and in September 1993, Kuwaiti authorities reported that Yousef's real identity was Abdul Basit.

But Yousef does not seem to be Abdul Basit. Above all, they are of two different heights. Yousef is 6' feet tall. That is what a prosecutor, reading off the FBI arrest card, told this author.21 Yet, according to all available evidence, Abdul Basit was only 5'8."22.

Yet if Yousef is not Abdul Basit, how did his fingerprints get into Abdul Basit's file in Kuwait? The fingerprint cards must have been switched. Someone had to have taken the card with Abdul Basit's prints on it out of the file and substituted a card with Yousef's prints. And the only party that reasonably could have done so is Iraq, while it occupied Kuwait, in order to create a false identity for Ramzi Yousef. Indeed, creating a false identity for agents involved in "wet" operations is a standard practice of Soviet-style intelligence agencies.

In intelligence parlance, a "false flag" operation is one in which a party carries out an action in such a manner as to make it look like others were responsible. For example, if Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turk who tried to kill the Pope in 1981, had been recruited by a Soviet-bloc intelligence agency, as some believe, then the attempted assassination would have been a false flag operation. here

Not too difficult to connect the dots from 1993 to 2001.

19 posted on 06/05/2002 11:34:02 PM PDT by Ordinary_American
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To: The Great Satan
"this claimed familial connection supports Iraqi authorship of 9-11 would depend on who Ramzi Yousef really is, would it not?" Yes, according to which identity? Whatever it might be (and I don't know if this story is well founded) the possibility of family links ought to be given credence. It is of prime importance in Middle Eastern communities. That is why the Bin Laden marriage connection to the CIA's banker Bin Mafhouz seems highly significant to me.
20 posted on 06/05/2002 11:35:12 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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