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Decriminalizing Pot: Why Stop There?
Toronto Sun ^ | July 21, 2002 | Connie Woodcock

Posted on 07/23/2002 2:21:02 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian

So Justice Minister Martin Cauchon admits he's smoked pot. And he didn't say he merely "tried" it once or that he didn't inhale, either.

His exact words were: "I'm 39 years old. Yes, of course I tried it before, obviously."

Obviously. He said it as if he meant most people in his age group will have smoked the stuff at one time or another. And, of course, it's true: I've smoked it; you've smoked it; cabinet ministers smoked it; anyone who grew up in the '60s or '70s smoked it. Whether we liked it or not is another question. But it would be easier to find middle-aged Canadians who haven't smoked it at least once.

Some of us have even grown a bit of the stuff ( although in my case, it was involuntary - marijuana, courtesy of a previous owner, competed with thistles for dominance in the barnyard of a small farm we once owned. When a five-foot plant grew up between the front tires of an old tractor, we finally recognized it and realized our farm literally had gone to pot. The horses, however, seemed to love it. )

Some Canadians with serious illnesses are permitted to use marijuana as medication, although not without a great deal of difficulty purchasing it.

And so what? Marijuana hasn't changed, but our attitudes toward it over the decades have certainly moderated. In the 1930s, it was considered evil, but now, it's just another means of relaxation along with beer, white wine and martinis. Some parents are even finding themselves in the awkward position of having to conceal marijuana use from their children, rather than let them see their role models breaking the law. ( Schools, of course, teach kids that marijuana is even more evil than cigarettes and the start of the slippery slope to drug addiction. )

So it was not exactly a shock to find out last week, after Britain announced it will decriminalize marijuana possession, that the minister responsible for law enforcement in Canada has broken the law and is thinking of changing it.

Cauchon and Prime Minister Jean Chretien both hinted last week that the decriminalization of marijuana use could happen here in the near future, too, although only last year the PM said it wasn't on the government's agenda.

Cauchon made it clear such action would have to wait for both Senate and House of Commons reports due later this year before any decision to yank simple possession of marijuana out of the Criminal Code and make it an offence punishable by a fine. There have been some signs the Commons committee is feeling positive about decriminalization. Even committee member Randy White, a Canadian Alliance MP who travelled to Amsterdam to observe a marijuana-tolerant society, said he visited a pot cafe and had a good time chatting with its clients. ( He didn't try it himself, but let's face it, a pot cafe is liable to have a real problem with second-hand smoke. )

After much hemming and hawing, this time the marijuana law appears to finally be on the government's agenda.

Stumbling Block

There's only one big stumbling block - America and its never-ending war on drugs. They're mad at us already for allowing medicinal pot use and they'll be furious at decriminalization.

"We have great respect for Canada and Britain as well, and if they start shifting policies with regards to marijuana it simply increases the rumblings in this country that we ought to re-examine our policy," said Drug Enforcement Administration head Asa Hutchinson last week. "It is a distraction from a firm policy on drug use."

Only last month, the U.S. Court of Appeals upheld marijuana as a dangerous drug with a high potential for abuse. The court ruled marijuana should remain classified as a Schedule 1 drug, the most restrictive classification under the U.S. Controlled Substances Act.

I hope we don't give in to the U.S. attitude, but if it were up to me, I'd go even further than our government apparently intends to. I'd do more than decriminalize the stuff. I'd make it legal to own and to grow. I'd tax the heck out of it and put it on the shelf at the LCBO next to the vodka.

At a single stroke, you'd be doing away with a source of income for organized crime and creating a useful agricultural crop that heaven only knows is easy to cultivate in southern Ontario.

You'd be able to tell police to stop wasting time and money flying around the countryside spotting pot crops in the midst of corn fields from a helicopter and go do some useful work - like putting patrol cars on the 401 in significant numbers, for example.

You'd be freeing young Canadians from the possibility of obtaining a criminal record that will prevent them from leaving the country and could hang over their lives forever.

There are a lot of issues that are way more important than marijuana in Canada today. But this is one issue we can do something about. Over the years, we've discussed it almost to death. It's time to stop talking about it and go ahead.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
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1 posted on 07/23/2002 2:21:02 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: NC_Libertarian
anyone who grew up in the '60s or '70s smoked it.

Ahem. Not everybody did. HS graduate 1974.

2 posted on 07/23/2002 2:26:02 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: NC_Libertarian
Decriminalizing it won't solve the "problem" of too many people using it as an escape from unjoined battles.

But neither has the current WOD, which belongs in the unjoined battle category itself.

Decriminalize drugs, and start a War on the Insidious Nanny State.
3 posted on 07/23/2002 2:30:58 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: NC_Libertarian
anyone who grew up in the '60s or '70s smoked it.

No, not everyone but then when you play in the mud you assume everyone is dirty also

4 posted on 07/23/2002 2:32:40 PM PDT by apackof2
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To: NC_Libertarian
Hell, We can't even purchase Molson Triple XXX beer down here !!!!! Good brew 1
5 posted on 07/23/2002 2:33:46 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: NC_Libertarian
I actualy think we need more laws. There are commandments which have not been codified in our Judeo-Christian nation. We need a law to prohibit high sugar, high fat foods. Look at all the harm bad diet is doing, and the costs! Time to outlaw smoking. Too costly on health care and we're almost there anyway. Porn should be outlawed. Majority doesn't like it anyway.

Increase the spending on the WOD, life sentences, and more cops til we get eceryone sober.

We can make this a better brave, new world. With video cameras and by deputizing everyone, we can get everyone to do right.

6 posted on 07/23/2002 2:37:48 PM PDT by breakem
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To: apackof2
anyone who grew up in the '60s or '70s smoked it.

No, not everyone but then when you play in the mud you assume everyone is dirty also

Yes anyone is certainly a generalization as your testimony indicates. What do you suppose the percentage breakdown is? Of those that did between then and now and those that didn't?

Play in the mud? Whatever do you mean? Slamming farmers, are ye? Thems fighting words. Don't send no revenuer over here after my marihuanna crop. But my still's out back complete with this year's Gov't approved registration sticker!

7 posted on 07/23/2002 2:40:11 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: NC_Libertarian
Considering the fact that hundreds of thousands die each year from smoking cigarettes, and hundreds of thousands die and are killed from drinking and driving, pot looks pretty innocuous to me. No, I don't smoke pot, but personally, I'd rather have someone stopped waiting for the stop sign to turn green, than to have Mr. Invincible plow through that same stop sign at 90 mph and kill a car full of people. Pot is not dangerous. Tobacco and alcohol are.
8 posted on 07/23/2002 2:44:06 PM PDT by Robear
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To: rhombus
Did you see the surpressed article by the FDA that showed MJ was less harmful than alchol or tobacco? But we allow the poppy fields in Afganistan to flourish. Why not. It's just part of this whole hypocrisy of Wars on________(pick the one of the day)
9 posted on 07/23/2002 2:48:24 PM PDT by Digger
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To: Digger
Hey did you see the study that says state cigarette taxes deters smoking? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/721109/posts

Maybe they should just tax weed, making it illegal sure doesn't deter smoking. :-)
10 posted on 07/23/2002 2:53:02 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: *Wod_list
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11 posted on 07/23/2002 3:00:22 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: NC_Libertarian
He said it as if he meant most people in his age group will have smoked the stuff at one time or another. And, of course, it's true: I've smoked it; you've smoked it; cabinet ministers smoked it; anyone who grew up in the '60s or '70s smoked it

I never smoked it. And in college, a lot of kids smoked it because they made fun of you if you didn't do it.

And so what? Marijuana hasn't changed...

Untrue. The marijuana of the 1990's is much much stronger than that used in the 1970s. That's why we see so many teen addicts who actually go thru withdrawal during rehab.

Some parents are even finding themselves in the awkward position of having to conceal marijuana use from their children, rather than let them see their role models breaking the law.

Of course, they could actually take seriously the fact that they are parents, and not get high, but obviously that would be too hard. just like these parents are often on their second or third marriages, breaking up when the marriage becomes too hard, or forcing their teen aged daughters who follow in their parents self indulgent footsteps to abort, since raising a grandkid would be too hard...

12 posted on 07/23/2002 3:08:39 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: Restorer
I didn't smoke it (much), we made brownies with home grown.;^)
14 posted on 07/23/2002 3:14:37 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: apackof2
"No, not everyone but then when you play in the mud you assume everyone is dirty also "

Damn right, buuurrrrppp! oops, sorry, just got done swilling a couple pitchers o' beer with my conservative friends haaaacchhkk! oops again, cigareete attack. Beeeeaallchhh! Hoooohh boy, thank God I can still eat fatty burgers with my fat assed conservative friends, Joey keeled over with a heart attack yesterday. Good old Joey, never did any doper stuff, maybe someone should have outlawed milk shakes instead. Thank God I don't play in the mud like those evil libertine sorts.

You stink if you don't group think!

15 posted on 07/23/2002 3:25:30 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Restorer
There's only one big stumbling block - America and its never-ending war on drugs. They're mad at us already for allowing medicinal pot use and they'll be furious at decriminalization.

Who cares? I wouldn't let Canadia influence US laws, so why should they let us influence theirs? Sovereignty is still a very valid concept.

16 posted on 07/23/2002 4:11:41 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: LadyDoc
And your solution to the drug situation is....?
17 posted on 07/23/2002 4:37:13 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: Robear
I'd rather have someone stopped waiting for the stop sign to turn green,

ROFLMAO, Boy did you bring back some memories with that! Not of me though.:)

18 posted on 07/23/2002 6:33:19 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: NC_Libertarian
I'd do more than decriminalize the stuff. I'd make it legal to own and to grow. I'd tax the heck out of it and put it on the shelf at the LCBO next to the vodka.

Bizarre little statement. No less so for being a fairly common sentiment.

If marijuana is harmless, why tax it differently than bread? If harmful why legalize it?

I think the obvious answer is that marijuana may not be terribly harmful (at least that's the legalizers' position), but it certainly is addictive. Legalizing it will produce great tax revenue because, to the addicts at least, it is a necessity. Regardless of the tax burden they must continue to buy.

Seems to me more of an indictment of the morality of "sin" taxes (those on alcohol, tobacco, and gambling), rather than an endorsement of anything regarding marijuana.

19 posted on 07/23/2002 6:41:31 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Robear
Legalize it, tax the hell out of it, and put a warning on the pack that says:

"The surgeon general does not know if marijuana smoking is dangerous to your health."
20 posted on 07/23/2002 6:45:31 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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