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Driver fury over Euro cycle laws (Eurofacists Declare Cyclists Are NEVER at Fault in Accidents)
The Observer ^ | August 4, 2002 | Joanna Walters, transport editor

Posted on 08/03/2002 9:28:36 PM PDT by Timesink

Driver fury over Euro cycle laws

Motorists face soaring premiums for bike crashes

Cyclists v motorists: talk about it here or email us at letters@observer.co.uk

Joanna Walters, transport editor
Sunday August 4, 2002
The Observer

A furious row is set to erupt between Britain and Europe over proposed legislation to make car drivers responsible for all accidents involving cyclists - even when the bike rider has broken the law and is in the wrong.

To the delight of cyclists and the dismay of drivers, a European law is being planned to force motorists to pay compensation and damages in all accidents with cyclists. The measure will put car insurance premiums up by an average £50.

The move prompted a furious response last night from motoring and insurance organisations, which claimed it would encourage 'bicycle guerrillas' who do not obey the Highway Code and frequently shoot red lights.

The proposed law, supposedly designed to harmonise car insurance terms across Europe, contains measures to crack down on drivers in Britain, where officials believe legislation is biased in favour of motorists.

The European Commission document says: 'Motor vehicles cause most accidents. Whoever is responsible, pedestrians and cyclists usually suffer more. In some member states the cyclist is covered by the insurance of the vehicle involved in the accident irrespective of whether the driver is at fault.'

The British Government is expected to oppose the move, arguing that Britain should be allowed to opt out of the legislation provoking a battle between Britain and European officials, who want it to be imposed Europe-wide.

Insurers and motoring groups have vowed to fight 'tooth and nail' to prevent the law being imposed on Britain.

'Drivers are going to have to pay higher premiums to compensate cyclists for their own mistakes,' said Kevin Delaney of the RAC.

'Many cyclists behave as if there were no legal constraints upon them - ignoring traffic lights, signs, one-way streets and pedestrian crossings, travelling as fast as possible with no lights or bell: they are bicycle guerrillas.'

The pro-cycling lobby says the law would 'redress the balance' against 'the most vulnerable road user'. Supporters want motorists to be criminally liable for any acci dent involving a cyclist or pedestrian.

Refusing to condemn cyclists who break the law and are to blame for some accidents, Kevin Mayne, director of national cycling body CTC, said the numbers of aggressive cyclists breaking the law and harassing drivers were hugely exaggerated.

The law could lead to a tougher criminal process for drivers who injure or kill cyclists, he said. 'It's not the person sitting in their steel box who gets killed by the cyclist.'

The proposals have been drawn up by from the Internal Market Directorate of the European Commission and will be debated by the European Parliament in the autumn. If Britain opposes the plan, it would be imposed here with majority support from other EU countries.

European officials believe the move will make the roads safer and encourage more people to get on their bikes.

In Britain, drivers are presumed innocent and not liable for compensation unless the cyclist can prove negligence. But in France, Belgium, Scandinavia, Holland and Germany, drivers are almost always liable and must pay compensation from their insurance policies.

Cycling in Britain now accounts for less than 2 per cent of all journeys undertaken each year, compared with 80 per cent of journeys by car. Britons made an average of 16 trips per person by bike last year, compared with 21 in 1991.

The RAC claimed insurance premiums could jump by 10 per cent, adding about £50 to the price of the average comprehensive motor policy.

Mayne said: 'We expect a ferocious fight from the motor and insurance industries.'


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blameshifting; carhate; cycling; eu; eurofascists; europeanunion; liberalfascists; uk
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Though the EUnuchs' actions here are reprehensible, I'm very happy to see it happen, because the more they force their ultrasocialism down the throats of people that are used to at least a modicum of freedom, the faster they will rise up and demand their governments withdraw from the EU entirely.
1 posted on 08/03/2002 9:28:36 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
So if you are sitting at a stoplight and a cyclist runs into you from behind, it's your fault.

The Old World rots.

2 posted on 08/03/2002 9:52:26 PM PDT by Jonathon Spectre
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To: Timesink
What a bunch of idiots.
3 posted on 08/03/2002 9:53:33 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Timesink
Looks like in the end Hitler won - he was just not around to see it. One europe, under facism, indivisible, and insane laws for all.
4 posted on 08/03/2002 9:55:43 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: Timesink
The EuroGov war on the automobile continues.
5 posted on 08/03/2002 9:56:10 PM PDT by j271
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To: Timesink
Sssst!! Hey, kid. C'mere minute. Wanna new bike? Shh. See that car over there?
6 posted on 08/03/2002 10:02:11 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Timesink
Hey...Europeans wanted to saddle themselves with this monstrosity, let 'em live with it.

As far as teh rest of us are concerned, always remember to be careful what you wish for...you might just get it!

7 posted on 08/03/2002 10:03:18 PM PDT by gaelwolf
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To: Timesink
Come to think of it, that would apply also to parked cars. You wouldn't even have to be in your car!!!
8 posted on 08/03/2002 10:03:19 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Timesink
"European officials believe the move will make the roads safer and encourage more people to get on their bikes."

That's the real agenda here.

I say screw the Europeans. I'll take my Dodge Ram pickup over a bicycle any time. I don't have to wear fag costume to operate it.

9 posted on 08/03/2002 10:24:29 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: blackbart.223
"I don't have to wear fag costume to operate it."

I don't have to wear a fag costume to operate it.

10 posted on 08/03/2002 10:30:53 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: Timesink
They might as well modify the EC document to read:

'Buildings, lamp posts, pets, curbs, motor vehicles, walls and pavement cause most accidents. Whoever is responsible, pedestrians and cyclists usually suffer more.'

Just as braindead and leftist stoopid either way.

11 posted on 08/03/2002 10:48:37 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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"...the more they force their ultrasocialism down the throats of people that are used to at least a modicum of freedom, the faster they will rise up and demand their governments withdraw from the EU entirely.

Oh, you think so?

Europe is the living incarnation of "go along to get along". They even went along with the Germans and Naziism, surrendering en masse - and then helping round up the Jews among them - so they could "get along" with Hitler.

You think they're going to revolt over a little thing like Socialist tyranny that rules their entire lives?

Once again, I am impelled to wonder if we wouldn't have been better off in the long run to have left them to be ground into dust under the heel of Hitler's boot, until such time as we had prepared the necessary holocaust to turn Hitler, and his Europe (and I include England as well, considering their lack of concern for individual freedom) into a radioactive wasteland.

Maybe *that* would have changed their attitudes. Maybe *then* the survivors would have learned to appreciate their freedom...

12 posted on 08/03/2002 11:51:19 PM PDT by fire_eye
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To: fire_eye
Perhaps we should review our own vanishing freedoms before we come down too harshly on them (feel free to substitute 'radically protected wetland' for 'radioactive wasteland' to see what I mean). Face it, our population is just as dormant as theirs.
13 posted on 08/03/2002 11:58:56 PM PDT by droberts
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To: j271
Since the Eurocrats love public transportation so much,
what happens if a bike is involved in an accident with a
bus?

What a dilemma! The pro-bike social engineering conflicts
with the pro- public-transit social engineering. What's a
EuroFacist to do?

May there'll be a special exemption for the bus driver
because he's carrying more EuroSerfs.
14 posted on 08/04/2002 12:01:17 AM PDT by j271
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To: Timesink
Sounds like it's time to go on offense and start running them down whenever you see them. Might as well make the crime fit the punishment.
15 posted on 08/04/2002 12:30:29 AM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: Timesink; sneakypete; uglybiker
Does this apply to motor-cycles too?
16 posted on 08/04/2002 1:15:23 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Timesink
This reminds me of a Mexican border town I visited about 20 years ago. There were kids on bicycles darting around all over the streets -- I would see them zig-zagging across the traffic, not going anywhere in particular, seeming to be trying to build up their courage to try to get hit. I'd never seen anything like it.

I asked my Dad about this, and he said this was a way they could get some quick money, because of the way Mexican traffic and insurance laws worked (and the local police). It was then that I realized the kids were probably sizing up who to run into as they caromed across the streets. We were driving an old junker at the time, so I guess we didn't qualify for an "incident".

Looks like Europe is trying to become more like Mexico.

Imal

17 posted on 08/04/2002 2:47:43 AM PDT by Imal
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To: Timesink
Hmmm, I just can see it. Palestinian suicide bomber on bicycle kills Jewish school bus in Paris. Synagogue billed for damages.
18 posted on 08/04/2002 6:31:15 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Timesink
In my 35+ years of driving I've had several close calls with bicyclist and in every case it was the fault of the cyclist. Sudden lane changes, running stop signs, driving the wrong way. BTW, the hazard from driving the wrong way is that when you are making a right turn at a stop sign you look left - clear - and begin to enter the intersection, only to have some dufus almost huff and puff right into you from the right.
19 posted on 08/04/2002 6:43:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: a_Turk; BlueLancer; Orual; aculeus; general_re; MadIvan
A_Turk, does your country *really* want to join this pack of freaks?
20 posted on 08/04/2002 6:51:35 AM PDT by dighton
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