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Plan targets restaurant smoke in Dallas - Nonsmoking sections must be smoke-free
The Dallas Morning News ^ | August 7, 2002 | By VICTORIA LOE HICKS / The Dallas Morning News

Posted on 08/07/2002 3:24:43 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP


Plan targets restaurant smoke in Dallas

08/07/2002

By VICTORIA LOE HICKS / The Dallas Morning News

Nonsmoking sections in Dallas restaurants would have to be smoke-free under a proposal before the City Council.

The measure, drawn up by the city's Environmental Health Commission and presented Tuesday to a council committee, would require restaurants to prevent any smoke from wafting into dining areas designated as nonsmoking.

The law would leave it to restaurant owners to determine how to meet the requirement. The choice of building partitions or installing special ventilation systems would be left to each owner.

"This is a situation where we should help the individual customer know what his choice means that 'nonsmoking' means 'smoke-free,' " said James E. Mitchell, vice chairman of the Environmental Health Commission.

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The measure also would require restaurants to make common areas such as waiting rooms, halls and restrooms "as tobacco smoke-free as feasible."

Restaurants built after the law's passage would have to comply immediately. Existing ones would have five years, unless they undertook substantial renovations in the meantime. Bars would not be affected.

Another committee meeting will address the plan, and if it moves forward, a public hearing would take place.

Virtually every member of the council's Health, Youth and Human Services Committee praised the proposal Tuesday, calling it a laudable compromise. Anti-smoking groups dismissed it as too weak, and a spokesman for local restaurants expressed concern that it could give some eating establishments an unfair advantage over others.

"Unfortunately, what is proposed doesn't go far enough to protect the health of Dallas citizens," said Karen Potasznik, chairwoman of the Smoke-Free Dallas Coalition. The coalition produced a parade of speakers in the City Hall lobby including a boy who suffers from asthma to urge a complete ban on smoking in restaurants.

"I ask the Dallas City Council to protect children from secondhand smoke," said 10-year-old asthma sufferer Wyatt Whittington.

Restaurant industry spokesmen took a more neutral stance.

Glen Garey, general counsel for the Texas Restaurant Association, said that although he's not familiar with the specifics of the Dallas proposal, it appears to be in line with the approach favored by the industry.

"We suggest using ventilation standards to meet the needs of smokers and nonsmokers alike," he said.

Mark Czaus, president of the Greater Dallas Restaurant Association, said his biggest worry was that the law could weigh more heavily on some owners than others.

"Our goal is to make it as level a playing field as possible," he said. "Like the airlines: They're all playing by the same rules."

Council member Lois Finkelman, who leads the council committee responsible for health issues, took the concerns of both sides in stride. "Neither one is overly thrilled, which may mean it's a darned good recommendation," she said.

Dallas' smoking law was written in 1986 and has not been revised. Some North Texas cities have adopted laws more stringent that the Dallas proposal. They include Plano, Arlington and Fort Worth.

In general, Mr. Mitchell said, the tougher laws require specific types of ventilation systems. But he said the Dallas panel preferred to give restaurant owners as much flexibility as possible.

Asked how the new law would be enforced, Mr. Mitchell said the panel did not specifically address that issue. However, he said, tests to measure whether air is moving from smoking to nonsmoking areas are relatively easy to perform and could be incorporated into standard restaurant inspections.

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Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/080702dnmetsmoking.68604.html


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: dallas; nonsmoking; pufflist; restaurants; smokefree; smoking; texas
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1 posted on 08/07/2002 3:24:44 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
I just had an idea.....how about liberal-free schools?
2 posted on 08/07/2002 3:42:54 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: MeeknMing
I'm a smoker and I actually think this makes a lot of sense. This is not like we've done in California, which is bans it completely. Have smoking sections and have the owners install air circulation and ventilation systems which prevents the stuff wafting into other areas. That way, those businesses which want to attract smokers by going out and investing money in adequate air recycling and ventilation have an opportunity to attract them, instead of banning it outright. On the other hand if we just allowed the marketplace to regulate as it should you wouldn't have this silliness in the first place. If non-smokers had a problem with cigarette smoke they would just boycott restaurants that allow it. Since, they outnumber smokers by a large number, that would result in restaurants banning it. That would be the natural result which implies that most non-smokers don't regard it as that much of a nuisance and it's the "health fascists" that have managed to get a lot of these laws passed. As for bars, 80% of those who frequent bars smoke. How's that for a tyranny of a minority.
3 posted on 08/07/2002 4:13:52 AM PDT by Coeur de Lion
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To: Couer de Lion
This is America, let private business alone. If a restaurant wants to install special ventilation, or wall off smoking from the nons, let them freely choose to do so. The intent of the regulation, is to make it prohibitively expensive for the restaurant to comply, therefore they will ban smoking altogether. Don't feel guilty for being a smoker, we need less govt, less regulations in every part of our lives, not more.
4 posted on 08/07/2002 5:39:09 AM PDT by jeremiah
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To: jeremiah
Smoking's OK, as long as you don't exhail.
5 posted on 08/07/2002 5:56:37 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: jeremiah; Couer de Lion
All of our restaurants; in my city even the fast food restaurants have had a smoking and non-smoking section for years
6 posted on 08/07/2002 6:12:09 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
How about a wimpy-liberal-leftist with their sickly-limpwrist spawn section, and one for the rest of us?
7 posted on 08/07/2002 6:23:57 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: MeeknMing
I guess fajitas are off the menu, now?
8 posted on 08/07/2002 6:51:58 AM PDT by lds23
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To: MeeknMing
So, why don't they just outlaw tobacco outright, altogether and screw the tax revenues, screw the smokers - just screw everybody. At least that would be up front and honest instead of all this totalitarian incremental B(arbra) S(triesand). It's going to be the ultimate outcome anyhow.

But noooooooo. Legislators are SO clever. They don't want to take the heat and obviously NOBODY WILL NOTICE if they do it bit by bit. How insulting.

There. I've been wanting to say that for AGES. (Thank you for your patience.)

9 posted on 08/07/2002 8:16:43 AM PDT by doberville
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To: Couer de Lion; *puff_list; SheLion; Just another Joe; Max McGarrity; RikaStrom
On the other hand if we just allowed the marketplace to regulate as it should you wouldn't have this silliness in the first place.

That's what so many of us have been saying for years. But that's not good enough for the antis. They believe they have the right to smoke-free everywhere on the off chance they might, possibly , someday visit a particular establishment.

If smoke-free was so good for business, more than 70% of establishments would have gone smoke-free voluntarily since at least 70% of the population are non-smokers.

Back in June when the banning of smoking in Delaware "public" places went through the legislature there was a quote in the paper from the manager of one of the local sports bars, which is also a restaurant. He said he looks forward to it and that it won't hurt his busines because his customers come to eat, drink, converse, hear the music or watch the game, not to smoke.

My question to him is then why don't you go non-smoking on your own and get a jump on the competition? He is always conveniently occupied or absent whenever I stop by to query him.

When I was there last Friday afternoon there were 24 people at the bar - 19 either were smoking or had a pack of cigarettes on the bar in front of them.

10 posted on 08/07/2002 8:49:50 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: MeeknMing
Anti-smoking groups dismissed it as too weak, and a spokesman for local restaurants expressed concern that it could give some eating establishments an unfair advantage over others.

Of course the antis dismissed it as too weak. It's not an outright ban of smoking everywhere.
As for some establishments having an unfair advantage - the politicians DON'T CARE if the mom and pop places go out of business.

11 posted on 08/07/2002 9:01:34 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: The Raven
......liberal-free schools?

12 posted on 08/07/2002 9:49:11 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: doberville
There. I've been wanting to say that for AGES. (Thank you for your patience.)

13 posted on 08/07/2002 9:51:33 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
I guess this means that Tommy Grand will have to put out his cigarettes before he busts those cheaters.

14 posted on 08/07/2002 9:56:24 AM PDT by YourAdHere
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To: lds23
I guess fajitas are off the menu, now?

LOL! Well, I hope not. I luv my fajitas.......

15 posted on 08/07/2002 10:53:27 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Smoking's OK, as long as you don't exhail.

Here, Eric! EXHAUST THIS!

16 posted on 08/07/2002 11:42:29 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: MeeknMing
The police should be patrolling these businesses to make sure these non-smoking laws are adhered to. They could use little smoke detectors to inspect different areas of the business for violations. Then citations or arrests could occur on the spot. It's the law.
17 posted on 08/07/2002 1:19:03 PM PDT by Search4Truth
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To: doberville
#9...... It isn't that they don't have the guts to ban tobacco completely, it is that they are more addicted to the taxes, than the smokers are to smoking.
18 posted on 08/07/2002 1:20:40 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: MeeknMing
I see nothing wrong with this. I'm a non-smoker but I don't care of others choose to smoke ... it's not my business. But here's my problem ... too much of the smoke makes me sick ... literally. My sinuses swell up like I've got a cold, I get a headache, and sometimes I'll start sneezing. Next day, I feel downright hung over.

When I go to a restaurant to eat and I ask for a non-smoking section, that non-smoking section better darn well be smoke free. Nothing like sitting at a table that is supposedly in non-smoking while just on the other side of the lattice-work "wall" there's a table of 4 and all of 'em are smoking.

The separate sections need to be more separate.

19 posted on 08/07/2002 1:28:32 PM PDT by al_c
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To: al_c
I am a non-smoker also, and I would never tell a smoker he could not smoke. However at the same time I do not appreciate smokers tell me I have to tolerate having to breathe their smoke. And yes to much smoke can make you sick. Especially if you have a cold. It's very hard to breathe then. As far as I know the smoking sections in our restaurants here in my town are very well separated from the non smoking sections
20 posted on 08/07/2002 2:00:50 PM PDT by Kaslin
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