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While I think that Powell is correct in his assessment* (the others being more questionable), I wonder if he will get any heat from within the Bush Administration for writing this piece.

*The collapse of the Soviet Union and the current problems in the People's Republic of China, as well as environmental problems in many Third World countries, underscore his assessment. Societies that do not have sustainable technologies will squander resources and then look elsewhere, with hostile intent, to acquire them. A CIA report published a year before September 11, Global Trends 2015 (which also anticipated larger and more deadly terrorist strikes, anticipated an increasing possibility of conflict over water resources.

1 posted on 08/07/2002 9:27:49 AM PDT by cogitator
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The collapse of the Soviet Union and the current problems in the People's Republic of China, as well as environmental problems in many Third World countries, underscore his assessment. Societies that do not have sustainable technologies will squander resources and then look elsewhere, with hostile intent, to acquire them.

I guess I agree with this too, but there's a big problem with the term "sustainable": Who gets to define what is "sustainable" and what isn't? Al Gore? Most of the people who use the term "sustainable" aren't using it the way you are, instead they're leftists who just hate SUVs, suburbs, strip malls, people who own land and want to do stuff on it, etc. So they define all of these as anathema to "sustainability" and there you go.

It's one thing to observe that societies which squander resources and pollute like USSR did tend to collapse and/or become belligerent. It's quite a leap to go from there to suggesting that central leaders can consciously plan how to be "sustainable" in all situations. Seems to me a big problem with the USSR's "unsustainability" was that they had too much central control, not too little.

One way to improve "sustainability" of, say, land usage would be to reinforce private property rights (landowners have little incentive to use their land in an "unsustainable" fashion unless government regulations exist to make that an appealing option...). Having Colin Powell sound off about the Need For Sustainable Policy doesn't exactly help achieve this state of affairs; it may event do harm rather than good if it convinces yet more people that the solution to all things is to hand control over to government.... IMHO

2 posted on 08/07/2002 9:40:26 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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Colon Bowel is a Republican?
3 posted on 08/07/2002 9:40:58 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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I am seeing the word "sustainable" everywhere in corporate reports etc.
I think it is a "code word" that means:
"Do whatever is necessary to preserve the priviledges of leaders who are morally bankrupt, and "established" organizations that have outlived their usefulness".
5 posted on 08/07/2002 9:47:01 AM PDT by RISU
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Sustainable development is code for giving low-tech economies low-tech solutions to problems.

It is ok so far as it goes, but coming from the UN, it still is based on the assumption that wealth can be administered into existence by some all-wise central authority who will decide what kind of development we will allow someone to have.

What I have observed is that third world people are often quite capable of handling leading edge technologies, and use them to leap frog their way into the modern world.

What keeps poor countries poor is not access to unapproved technology but rather the lack of liberty, and the absence of clear legal protection for private initiatives.

Stated more clearly, prosperity requires that individuals have liberty to act in their own interest, and honest courts to protect them as they do so.

It is not an accident that poor countries almost without exception have state controlled economies, normally run by an elite for the benefit of that elite.
13 posted on 08/07/2002 10:24:16 AM PDT by marron
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14 posted on 08/07/2002 10:28:35 AM PDT by Database
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15 posted on 08/07/2002 10:37:39 AM PDT by madfly
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Powell describes sustainable development as a "compelling moral and humanitarian issue"

How many "last straws" does this guy get?

18 posted on 08/07/2002 10:58:47 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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This unholy trinity can destabilize countries, even entire regions

The UN considers the United States to be a region.

20 posted on 08/07/2002 11:11:09 AM PDT by RightWhale
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Colon Bowel Alert!
26 posted on 08/07/2002 2:36:41 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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Sustainable development? I'll give sustainable development some consideration when we quit allowing millions of foreigners to come here each year. If we have room for them, then sustainable development IS NOT AN ISSUE, IS IT?
27 posted on 08/07/2002 2:41:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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Replies too thoughtful to fully digest at work bump!
32 posted on 08/07/2002 3:36:08 PM PDT by onedoug
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"Sustainable development" is an oxymoron. My goal is just to get this farm such that I never have to go to the store. That in itself would be quite a feat.

Consumerism is definately a problem. I doubt seriously that any government will solve the problems listed in this article.

36 posted on 08/08/2002 6:00:47 AM PDT by Demidog
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What a load of malarkey. The argument is that without government to shepherd the judicious use of resources, free-market economies will strip-mine, clear-cut, and toxic-dump themselves into oblivion. In fact, the opposite is the case. The socialist centrally-planned economies of the Eastern Bloc, the Soviet Union, China, et al. are plagued with pollution, shortages, and crop failures. The free market West, by contrast, enjoys an abundance of greenspace and first order goods.

When individuals are given rights in air, land, and water, tort liability protects and balances those rights. When air, land, and water are considered "public" resources (i.e., owned by noone and everyone), waste and spoilage is the inevitable result.In a society which honors and protects rights in property, mutually antagonistic and/or cooperative exercise of those rights strikes a balance of (guess what?) "sustainable development."

Doubtless, people occupy space, consume resources, and generate pollution. Thus, one threat to "sustainable development" in the United States is the government's importation of large numbers of people (literally millions) and its coercion of non-discrimination and association towards immigrants by native property owners.

39 posted on 08/08/2002 7:20:47 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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Sustainable development means killing people for sake of development.

The U. S. Department of Energy has joined in promoting the concept of "sustainable development", as revealed by their website.  One of the "solutions" offered is "relocation" of property owners.  This is something we are seeing on a local level here in Clallam County, Washington.[1]

“Sustainable Development” was first introduced by Maurice Strong, socialist, senior adviser to the Commission on Global Governance and driving force behind the concept of “sustainability”. When introducing the term at the 1992 Rio Conference (Earth Summit II), he stated:  Industrialized countries [Americans] have “developed and benefited from the unsustainable patterns of production and consumption which have produced our present dilemma.  It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption pattern of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work-place air-conditioning and suburban housing – are not sustainable.  A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmentally damaging consumption patterns.”[2]  Strong also explains in an essay that the concept of sovereignty has to yield in favor of the “new imperatives of global environmental cooperative.”

Following are some alarming excerpts from the U.S. Department of Energy's website:

http://www.sustainable.doe.gov/disaster/disintro.shtml ...Development continues unabated in the riskiest of areas, along the coasts and floodplains in the U.S. Communities in these high-risk regions, by definition, are not sustainable. Residents cannot count on the communities' survival for generations to come. Some live in fear that the next rain or wind storm could mean the end of normal life. These are people and communities at risk, locked in a costly, life-threatening gamble with the environment.... ...Sustainable development offers a way out. For some communities, the only solution is relocation, moving entirely off the floodplain, out of harm's way. For others, sustainable development means restricting new construction in particularly vulnerable areas, elevating structures to remove the threat of flooding, or building smarter, stronger buildings that are more hazard-resistant... ...While at first glance this facet of sustainable development may seem unrelated to disaster prevention, in truth they're intricately tied. An increasing body of evidence points to human energy use - specifically the burning of fossil fuels - as a factor in global climate change. Global climate change, in turn, may be at least partially responsible for the increased number and severity of storms. By making efficient use of energy resources, disaster-prone communities that employ sustainable development are also doing their part to slow global warming and temper the very storms that threaten them.... ...Striving for sustainability is a daunting task, even for those communities that aren't disaster-prone. Changing the way we use resources and approach development is slow-going and often frustrating...

The Dept. of Energy bases much of its rhetoric on the false premise that humans are the cause of "global warming" - when in fact, global warming is a theory, not scientifically proven. See Global Warming Models Labeled 'Fairy Tale' By Team of Scientists.[3]

The insurance industry has been pulled into the game of “Sustainable Development”, too. The website states: “Increasingly, the insurance industry is taking an interest in global climate change as a possible contributor to the dramatic rise in costly natural disasters. Industry leaders share with advocates of sustainable development a desire to mitigate weather-related damages and make communities stronger. Insurance and The Natural Sciences: Partners in the Public Interest, a speech presented in September 1996 by Franklin W. Nutter, president of the Reinsurance Association of America, further explains this ‘insurance connection.’”

As a “public/private” partnership, the move toward fascism continues.[4]

The Dept. of Energy website refers the reader to the United Nations for more information. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, through Global Change, a magazine about climate change and ozone depletion published by the Pacific Institute for Studies in Development, Environment, and Security.

Action you can take:  

Write to President Bush and request that he reverse the "Sustainable Development" trend in the agencies he controls.  Find contact information here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

 


[2] Agenda 21 stresses “ Improving human settlement management; Promoting sustainable land-use planning and management; Promoting sustainable energy and transport systems in human settlements, to name a few – in other words, “managing humans” is the goal at a global level.

[3] See also Another Study Debunks Global Warming Two new studies of temperatures and ice cap movement in that same area indicate that is not the case.  In fact, Antarctica is becoming colder.  Dr. Peter Dorman and his team of scientists have determined that since 1986, temperatures have been dropping an average of 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit per decade and similar downturns have occurred since 1978 in the McMurdo Dry Valleys of east Antarctica.  When the scientists noticed that “glacial ice wasn’t melting, streams weren’t flowing, lakes were shrinking and microorganisms were disappearing, they decided to expand their data collection and discovered that “Antarctica as a whole had gotten considerably colder."  The study seems to confirm what 17,000 scientists have previously determined; there is no “global warming.”


50 posted on 08/19/2002 5:07:14 AM PDT by lavaroise
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