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Political alliance with Venezuela and Cuba speculated: Brazil's da Silva, critic of U.S.
Miami Herald ^ | Aug. 15, 2002 | Andres Oppenheimer

Posted on 08/15/2002 2:08:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Alternating harsh anti-American rhetoric reminiscent of the 1960s with efforts to moderate his language in pursuit of middle-class voters, the Workers' Party candidate tried to distance himself from the Forum de Sao Paulo, a group of mostly hard-line communist and leftist parties from around the world that he helped found in 1990. Its last meeting was held in Havana in December.

SAO PAULO - Luiz Inacio ''Lula'' da Silva, a longtime critic of the U.S. role in Latin America, could become Brazil's next president, but he rejects speculation that he would form a political alliance with Venezuela and Cuba to promote anti-American sentiment in the region.

Still, da Silva said, he considers himself ''a friend of Cuba'' who would demand the island's inclusion in the U.S.-proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas.

In his first public reaction to claims by U.S. conservatives that he would form an ''axis of evil'' with Fidel Castro and Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, the veteran leftist leader said in written responses to questions submitted by The Herald that such forecasts see the world ``as if we were in the midst of the Cold War era.''

Last week, conservative former White House aide Constantine C. Menges wrote in The Washington Times that ``if the pro-Castro candidate [da Silva] is elected president of Brazil, the results could include a radical regime . . . developing close links to state sponsors of terrorism such as Cuba, Iraq and Iran.''

Da Silva, leading in the polls for the October presidential election, rejected the suggestion as absurd. The 57-year-old former steelworker, who has already made three failed attempts to win the presidency, defined himself as a democratic fighter for social justice whose heroes are Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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1 posted on 08/15/2002 2:08:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Still, da Silva said, he considers himself ''a friend of Cuba'' who would demand the island's inclusion in the U.S.-proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas.

We'll be happy to include them. In just about two and a half more years.

2 posted on 08/15/2002 4:01:54 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron
Sounds good. A free Cuba engaging in free trade.
3 posted on 08/15/2002 4:15:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You know, they say a "watched pot" never boils, but actually, eventually, they do.
4 posted on 08/15/2002 4:20:24 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron
I feel like I'm watching several "pots."
5 posted on 08/15/2002 4:21:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: *Latin_America_List
Index Bump
6 posted on 08/15/2002 8:57:03 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Separated Families:
Please, add my case, another "Elian" case
Please, see also my Petition in http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/182129310

I do not know my child because the Cuban Government do not allow me to come back to my own country.

My child, Juan Paolo López Fiallo, was born on April 4, 1999 in Havana, Cuba.

"Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country" Article 13 (2) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Adopted and proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 217 A (III) of 10 December 1948. http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

My case, like the one of so many other Cubans, it is very simple. I got bachelor and master degrees in Physics in the University of Havana, in Cuba. After lecturing Physics for 3 years for life science students as a teaching assistance, I got a scholarship to participate of a specialization course in the "International Centre for Theoretical Physics" in Trieste, Italy.

The Cuban government, contrary to the majority of the countries in the world, controls every leave from Cuba of his citizens. That it is why I was forced to request an authorization to the Cuban government to be able to study in Italy. This authorization was given for a year. At the same time, I was NOT allowed to make a Ph.D. in "Northeastern University" in Boston, US, but this is another story.

Once my specialization course was over, I requested in the Cuban consulate in Milan, Italy, an authorization to make Ph.D. studies out of Cuba, but this was neglected by the consul straightaway. He offered a well known Cuban alternative "Patriotism or Death": I had to choose between coming back, renouncing to a already approved Ph.D. scholarship, or adding up to a
social Cuban class called "quedados".

This class of Cubans do NOT has the right to return to Cuba before five (5) years after the change in category, and even when accepted, only for a transitory visit of twenty one (21) days, and NOT permanently.

Your are right if you guess that I chose "Death" to be able to continue my studies. I finished last year my Ph.D. in the Universidade Federal de São Carlos (UFSCar) and now I am making a post-doctor in the Universidade Estadual de Campinas (UNICAMP). Both of them are situated in the state of São Paulo, Brazil.

I requested, and paid without reimbursement right, authorization to visit Cuba on day 10/01/2002. My first request to enter Cuba was made in July 2000. I also tried a request between these two ones, on September 2001, but one of the Cuban officials in the São Paulo consulate personally advised me not to do it because several other Cubans of the same class
(quedados) had been completed unsuccessful. In the two cases that I formally requested, and paid, for an entrance visa, these were rejected without justification and orally only, nothing written.

At this point, I wonder myself why I can not see my little boy, mother or walk in the streets of My country. Are these what are called respect to individual liberties and human rights? What are the reasons that let the Cuban government to obstruct, difficult and even completed forbid family meetings? Would it be that persons do not have the right to choose where and when study and work, or it is that we "quedados" are not persons at all?

The Cuban jurist Dr. Claudio Benedí Beruff, one of the founders of the Interamerican Human Rights Commission, presented in june before said entity in Washington, a denouncement about my human drama.

Thank you in advance.

Sincerely Yours,

Juan López Linares, Ph.D.
Cuban Passport: C181817

P.S.--- Please, sign my Petition in http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/182129310
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Further information:

- More details about my professional life in http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/jlopezlbr

- Pictures of my child and me in http://espanol.geocities.com/jlopezlbr

- Fotocopy of my passports in http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/pruebasjuan

- Artículo del Periodico "Diario Las Américas", Miami, Estados Unidos, reproducido en
http://www.cubdest.org/0206/cjlopezcpr.html

- E-mail de 24/06/2002 reproducido en http://www.cubdest.org/0206/cjlopez.html

- Artigo do Jornal de Campinas Correio Popular reproduzido em http://www.cubdest.org/0206/cjlopezcpop.html

- Artigo do Jornal O Estado de S. Paulo em http://www.estado.estadao.com.br/editorias/2002/06/27/cid024.html>

-Artigo do Jornal da Tarde em http://www.jt.com.br/editorias/2002/06/27/ger025.html

- "Itamaraty intervendrá en favor del físico cubano" Derechos Sin Fronteras (DSF), en Brasilia / Destaque Internacional (DI), en Washington en http://www.cubdest.org/0206/cjlopezch.html

- Artigo do Jornal O Dia em
http://odia.ig.com.br/odia/mundo/mu300601.htm
http://odia.ig.com.br/odia/mundo/mu300602.htm
http://odia.ig.com.br/odia/mundo/mu300603.htm

- Artículo publicado en Sydney, 5 Julio 2002 - Spanish Herald, Australia. Edición Nro. 53 en
http://www.geocities.com/escritorperuano/boletin11

E-mails e telefones ÚTEIS:
* Embaixada de Cuba em Brasilia
Jorge Lezcano Pérez, Embaixador
E-mail: embacuba@uol.com.br
Tels.: (61) 2484710, 2484130, 2484517 y 2484215
Faxes: (61) 248 6778 y 248 7559

* Consulado de Cuba em São Paulo
Rafael Suárez Tabares, Cónsul General
E-mail: consulcuba@uol.com.br
Tels.: (11) 3873 4537 y 3873 2800
Fax: (11) 264 5052

* Ministério das Relações Exteriores de Cuba
Felipe Pérez Roque, Ministro
E-mail: cubaminrex@minrex.gov.cu
Tels.: (537) 553537, 553260
Fax: (537) 333460
Calzada #360, Vedado, La Habana, Cuba.

* Presidente de los Consejos de Estados y de Ministros de Cuba,
Dr. Fidel Castro Ruz
E-mail: f_castro@one.gov.cu
Faxes: (537) 333085 / 335261

* Ministério das Relações Exteriores do Brasil
Professor Celso Lafer, Ministro
E-mail: acs@mre.gov.br
Tel.: (61) 4116161
Tels. Ass. Com. Social: (61) 4116160 4116163
Esplanada dos Ministérios - Bloco H
CEP: 70 170-900, Brasília-DF



Dr. Juan López Linares (Father of Juan Paolo López Fiallo, D.O.B.: 4/4/1999, Havana, Cuba)
LMBT, DFMC, I. de Física G.W., UNICAMP, Campinas, SP,
13083-970, BRASIL
Phones:+55 (19) 3788 5504 (Lab.)
Fax: +55 (19) 3289 3137
mailto:jlopez@ifi.unicamp.br ou
mailto:jlopezlbr@yahoo.com.br
Web: http://br.geocities.com/jlopezlbr e
http://espanol.geocities.com/jlopezlbr
http://br.geocities.com/jlopezlbr


COMMENTS:
Elian Gonzales became a political pawn of both the Clinton administration and Fidel Castro. Both wanted Elian returned with his father, Juan Miguel Gonzales, but his relatives in Miami wanted the boy to stay with them, where his mother had decided to rase him, yet lost her life in the process of bringing him to freedom. Because of all the strange legalities and the relationship between Cuba and the Clinton administration, the boys father was sent to the USA to regain custody of his son. Elian then, was reunited with his father by force under Reno and the Pastors for Peace, claiming it was the right thing to do. I ask my self: what is the difference between both parents, Juan Miguel Gonzales and Juan López Linares? Why is Juan López Linares prohibited to see, hold, and play with his little boy in Cuba, wile Juan M. Gonzalez was welcomed with open arms in our United States to take his little boy back to a country that violates human rights? Is this what fidel castro calls justice and respect for human rights? NO! fidel violates all the human rights in Cuba. Sincerely yours, Dinorah Rivas. Tampa, FL.
The above is sent to you by
Chachi Novellas Bengochea
Fort Lauderdale, Florida
FOR FREEDOM & JUSTICE GROUP
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ForFreedomandJustice

7 posted on 08/28/2002 2:32:25 PM PDT by Cardenas
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To: Cardenas
So many lives are torn apart by communism and Castro. I hope Rep. Tom DeLay, TX and Otto Reich, Sec. of Western Hemisphere Affairs, are seeing stories like this coming across their desks daily.
8 posted on 08/29/2002 3:05:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cardenas
So many lives are torn apart by communism and Castro. I hope Rep. Tom DeLay, TX and Otto Reich, Sec. of Western Hemisphere Affairs, are seeing stories like this coming across their desks daily.
9 posted on 08/29/2002 3:05:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
THE CONGRESS AND SENATE’S SUPPORT OF CASTRO’S TERROR NETWORK.

Jesús J. Chao

In view of the appalling betrayal of President Bush’s war against terrorism by members of the U.S. Congress and Senate by supporting Cuba’s terrorist regime we should expose to the American people the profound danger in which they have placed our country.

World renown and highly respected American investigative journalist and author, Claire Sterling, who is considered one of the foremost experts on international terrorism, wrote in 1981 a definitive report on this theme in her book “The Terror Network, The Secret War on International terrorism.”

According to her: “All of the world’s emerging terrorist bands in the 1970’s were indebted to the Cubans and their Russian patrons for that honeycomb of camps around Havana. **** could have started without rudimentary training, and those who didn’t train in Cuba were trained by others who did.”

Twenty years later, the central and main head of the terrorism network is still the same diabolical tyrant, Fidel Castro. What Sterling wrote then, still applies and helps to understand the central role of Castro in today’s terrorist explosion and his relationship with the “axis of evil.”

Sterling mentions “in the summer of 1968, the Soviet Union forced Fidel Castro into a secret agreement whereby Cuba surrendered sovereign control over its foreign policy to the Kremlin and consigned its intelligence service – the Dirección General de Inteligencia - (DGI) to the KGB.

That same summer, the Soviet Communist Party’s Central Committee decided, at the KGB’s urging, to reverse its old policy of avoiding Palestinian entanglements. Arab Communists, meeting secretly in Moscow in July, were instructed to infiltrate, spy upon, and gain ascendancy over the Palestine Resistance. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union itself began to train and arm the Palestinians.”

This fact was well known in 1968 by our intelligence services as stated by John Barron in his book “KGB”, since the United States learned about it through penetration of the KGB. By 1970, promising Fedayeen were being sent to officers’ Special Schools in Egypt, Algeria, Syria, Libya, Iraq, China North Vietnam and Cuba where they received political indoctrination on Marx, Lenin and Stalin.

But, according to Sterling, Castro’s relationship with international terrorism was already strong and deep for over ten years before the Soviets got involved in the promotion of terrorism against the West.

Sterling held that “Castro had always wanted to export his revolution. No sooner did he come into power in January 1959 than he sent his first expeditionary force to Panama, where he flopped. He tried again three times that year, in Nicaragua, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic, and sent a full battalion of Cuban ‘medics’ to liberate Algeria. Barely two years later, he had already bagged the future leader of Africa’s first successful Marxist coup, in Zanzibar… Few knew that ‘Field Marshall’ John Okello seized this small island off East African Coast in January 1964, after spending three years in Havana training for the job… His coup was flawless. It took just a few hours for his six hundred men – many of them Cuban-trained – to overthrow the Arab sultanate and proclaim a Communist ‘people’s republic.’ Thousands of non-black Zanzibaris, Arab and Indian, were slaughtered with deliberate savagery in next few days, and thousands more fled in terror…” The small island of 300,000 inhabitants became a base for Castro’s penetration into the African mainland.

Castro’s dreams of a Cuban presence in Africa were well advanced before the Soviet joined the game. According to Sterling, “as early as 1961, Castro sent a shipload of Cuban weapons to the West African Coast. Offloading in Casablanca, it took on a return cargo of guerrilla trainees from Ghana, Nigeria, Mali, the Congo, South Africa, Kenya, Tanganyika, Spanish Equatorial Guinea, and Zanzibar itself… From then on, Cuba would keep turning out professional guerrilla fighters for just about every new African state.”

When Spain withdrew from Equatorial Guinea, Castro’s man, Francisco Macias Nguema, came into power shielded by Cuban elite henchmen who kept him in power for the next ten years. About three to four hundred Cuban ‘counselors’ were at his side till the end while 50,000 of his 350,000 subjects were murdered (many with his own hands), and another 100,000 were driven into exile. Nguema paid himself a state salary of $5 million a year, and turned his once prosperous mini-state into a derelict non-country in the name of scientific socialism. He was drinking a glass of human blood a day by 1979, when he was overthrown and executed.”

Castro’s expertise running down prosperous countries into wastelands mired with slavery and misery worked in Africa as efficiently as it worked in Cuba.

Meanwhile, reported Sterling, “Castro was training the advance guards of the coming European fright decade – Palestinians, Italians, Germans, French, Spanish Basques – and forming guerrilla nuclei in practically every Western hemisphere state south of the American border. As far back as 1962, Castro’s camps were taking in 1,500 Latin American guerrillas a year. . ‘Any revolutionary movement anywhere in the world can count on Cuba’s unconditional support,’ declared Castro at the 1966 Tricontinental Conference in Havana”. It was then and there that the international terrorism network was consolidated under Castro’s leadership.

By then, however, said Sterling, “Colonel Kotchergine of the KGB would soon be supervising a new honeycomb of training camps around Havana for Russian – approved candidates from Europe, Africa, and Asia.” In 1968 the Soviets were underwriting the entire Cuban economy and, “as a part of the bargain, Castro also accepted five thousand Russian advisers, (growing to ten thousand later) posted in various economic sectors, the armed forces, and the DGI. Soviet Colonel Viktor Simenov of the KGB was given an office adjoining the director’s own at DGI headquarters in Havana. Twenty-five DGI agents a year (which later became fifty) would be selected with his approval for training in Moscow. All the DGI’s operational decisions, and its annual budget, had to be cleared through Colonel Simenov. From then on, Cuba would be the only Soviet satellite state whose intelligence service was directly subsidized by Russia ‘for extending its range of activities abroad.’”

“Anything Cuba did in aid of worldwide terrorism after that would have to be done with the Russians’ knowledge and consent, under their close supervision if not their express command,” stated Sterling.

Orlando Castro Hidalgo a Cuban DGI operative in Castro’s embassy in Paris, who defected in 1969, testified before the United States Senate Committee, giving a valuable opportunity for our senators to learn first hand of Castro’s involvement with the international terrorism network. Hidalgo’s duties in Paris at the time were “mainly to support revolutionary activities in Latin American and African countries. The candidates for training would fly over to Paris at Castro’s expense, and Hidalgo would then ‘provide lodging, money, messages from Havana, and visas to Czechoslovakia to camouflage the trail of guerilla trainees on their way to Cuba. He also had to screen young Europeans signing up for Castro’s ‘summer camps’… two thousand from France itself, another six thousand from elsewhere in Europe. Before they were allowed to leave for Cuba, they had to pass a final screening by a high-ranking DGI officer named Adalberto Quintana, sent to Paris specially from Havana.”

According to Hidalgo: “The same meticulous selection went into recruiting 2,500 young Americans in the ‘Venceremos Brigades’, which appeared the following year. A smashing success for the DGI (and KGB), the Brigades visited Cuba in ten contingents between 1966 and 1977. Under Colonel Simenov’s fatherly eye, they learned how to mount a truly effective campaign to destabilize the United States. The pace was set by the U.S. Weathermen, whose Bernardine Dohrn and Peter Clapp were invited to Havana midway through 1969 to meet a delegation from North Vietnam and the Viet Cong. Chicago’s ‘days of rage’ devoted to ‘bringing the war home’ followed within weeks of their return to U.S. soil. (The art of rioting was passed on to thousands of other Americans students through do-it-yourself publications as The Anarchists’ Cookbook. Drive a large nail through a plank if another lethal weapon is not handy, advised this manual, whose contents were copied word for word from lectures in Cuba’s guerrilla classroom.”

It is amazing to learn how short is the memory of the American Senators is, especially those who acquiesced to give a helping hand to Castro at the expense of our taxpayers even though Cuba is involved now more than ever in the sponsoring of international terrorism.

“Castro’s guerrilla camps in Cuba went on catering to capacity crowds. Palestinians in particular began to check in several hundreds at a time, as they would go in doing through the decade; both, Yassir Arafat and George Habash paid stately visits to Havana to discuss these ongoing arrangements.” In August 1976, the CIA estimated that three hundred Arab fedayeen were training in Cuban camps. George Habash was received by Castro in April 22, 1978, and requested training for five hundred more fedayeen in the PFLP. Arafat, who had maintained a PLO office in Havana since 1974, signed in the summer of 1978 a formal military pact with Castro that September (according to the Jerusalem Post, July 27, 1978; Economist Foreign Report, June 28, 1978).

Before long, however, affirmed Sterling, Cuban instructors in guerrilla warfare began to go abroad, fanning out over the great Arab arc sheltering the Palestine Resistance. Barely two months after the October Middle East War, Cuban experts in terrorist warfare arrived secretly in South Yemen. On June 26, 1978, after Aden was shelled by Soviet naval forces and severely bombed by Cuban-piloted Soviet aircrafts, South Yemen was openly annexed as a Soviet colony converting the country into a terrorist safe haven becoming the heart of Palestinian training network.

According to Sterling, “everybody who was anybody in planetary terrorism passed through South Yemen sooner or later, for training or shelter or both. That was true of the whole German underground…Japanese, Turks, Iranians, Armenians, Kurds, Italians, French, Irish, Dutch, Belgians, South Moluccans, the Polisario Sahraouis, the Dhofar tribesman of oil rich Oman. All received advanced instruction in guerrilla warfare from Cubans and East Germans.”

When Colonel Qaddafi went into the guerrilla training business for the Palestinians’ sake, the Cubans moved in on Colonel Qadaffi. In 1976, the first reliable account of Libya’s camp network reports that Cuban instructors were teaching Spanish Basques there just when a democratic government was struggling to take hold in Spain… Some 150 Cuban guerrilla instructors were installed in Libya by 1980 while another 200 were installed in Algeria to train Sahraoui guerrillas from the Polisario Front.

“Meanwhile, yet another platoon of Cuban instructors moved in on Syria. Some were detailed to the Syrian army, others to guerrilla training camps. The first of these were spotted in 1976; according to former U.S. Defense Secretary Melvin Laird, they were training Japanese, Germans, and Iranians terrorist as well as Arabs. Then came a massive infiltration of southern Lebanon …with the Palestinians entrenched there by March 1978, a Cuban team turned up at the port of Tyre.”

According to the Journal de Geneve, “Two months afterward, a second team of Cuban instructors arrived, engineers, and experts in setting up military bases and installing missile-launching ramps. All the equipment arrived in Tyre aboard Soviet freighters: SAM missiles, artillery, transceivers … At the end of an intensive eight month training period, the first group of terrorists was reportedly ready to embark for the Persian Gulf countries, carrying ***** passports, ***** work permits, and possessing perfect knowledge of the accents, ways, and customs of these countries. Preceding these revolutionaries, large quantities of arms were routed to the Persian Gulf countries through intermediaries traveling that route.”

Sterling stated, “The uses of Cuban expertise abroad, starting in the mid-seventies, grew clearer when plans for the Latin American European were discovered by Argentinean police around that time (1979). As we have seen, the top-secret Tucumán Plan, drafted under DGI-KGB supervision, involved the transfer in a body of the Cuban-sponsored Junta for Revolutionary Coordination, the JCR, to Western Europe. Its four main guerrilla bands- Uruguay’s Tupamaros and like-minded groups from Argentina, Bolivia, and Chile, all forced into exile with the advent of right-wing military regimes – were to work out of headquarters in Lisbon and Paris, for an orchestrated assault to the Continent. Castro had set up special camps for them, on a four thousand acre state near Guanabo (a beach about 15 Km. From Havana), providing intensive three-month courses in explosive, sabotage, weaponry, and urban guerrilla tactics.”

In her book Sterling states that “there is another and bigger side to the Cuban story abroad. Russia’s deal with Fidel Castro in 1968 included his armed forces as well as his intelligence service. Starting in the mid-seventies, he would send Cuban troops halfway around the planet on the Kremlin’s behalf. Between forty and fifty thousand of them were deployed around Africa and the Arabian peninsula by 1980.”

Twenty-odd thousand men were in Angolan alone helping the pro-Soviet revolutionary army junta, seventeen thousand Cuban troops were in Ethiopia, and the first wholly sovietized black African state. “To help install Colonel Mengistu’s Marxist-Leninist regime, the Russians had airlifted ten thousand Cubans from Angola to Ethiopia, another ten thousand from Cuba to Angola for its replacement. According to London’s Institute for the Study of Conflict, the Soviet airlift required about five thousand flights within seven months, flying all day and night, twenty four hours a day.” The airlift also rushed Cuban troops from Ethiopia to South Yemen in the cover of night, the following winter.

The trail of blood and suffering left by Castro’s exploits, especially throughout Africa and Latin America, has had no bearing on the American Black Caucus and other members of both parties that keep supporting Castro disregarding that his victims were both blacks and whites, Cubans as well as Africans. Che Guevara expressed in paradigmatic words the essence of Castro’s regime when he stated: “We must above all keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm… hate as a factor of struggle, intransigent hate to the enemy, hate that can push a human being beyond his natural limits and make him a cold, violent, selective, and effective killing machine.“ This is the kind of regime our Senators and Congressmen want to support with our taxpayers’ money.
10 posted on 08/30/2002 12:33:21 PM PDT by Dqban22
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11 posted on 09/29/2002 5:03:06 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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