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The End of the Smoky Bar
NY Times ^ | 8/12/02 | Editorial

Posted on 08/15/2002 9:43:10 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

The few remaining outposts of smoking in public indoor spaces in New York City, such as small restaurants and bars, will soon be smoke-free — if Mayor Michael Bloomberg has his way, and it seems that he will. While most of the workers in these establishments and their nonsmoking customers breathe a sigh of relief, smokers find their universe shrinking yet again. The law, if passed by the City Council, will put the city alongside California and Delaware as the nation's most unaccommodating places for smoking.

Closing a major loophole in the city's anti-smoking law, the mayor has framed the proposed new ban as a workers' health issue, and that has merit, especially considering that most other workplaces don't allow lighting up indoors. Studies show that bar and restaurant workers are at a greater risk for lung cancer than other workers. Bartenders, in particular, currently have no choice but to breathe in large quantities of secondhand smoke.

Since taking office, Mr. Bloomberg has been a kind of anti-Marlboro Man, targeting smoking as a public health enemy, which makes him one of the best things to happen to lungs since the chest X-ray. Earlier this summer, the mayor put a squeeze on puffers with new cigarette taxes that pushed the price of a pack to more than $7 — about twice the national average.

Once the new ban is in effect, those extremely expensive cigarettes may burn a hole in some pockets and pocketbooks while their owners look for a place to use them. Expect smokers to congregate just outside the establishments that once allowed them to light up in more social, convivial surroundings.

Mr. Bloomberg can anticipate challenges to the new ban, including the argument that it will hurt business. His staff rejects that notion, with one exception. Restaurants and bars will do just fine, but the tobacco companies, they say, will feel the heat.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: antismoking; barshurt; businessesaffected; highertaxes; ny; pufflist; restaurantshurt; secondhandsmoke; smokefree; tobaccocos
The only focus is to increase spending. What are the consequences to business? If business is hurt, what affects will that have? What will be the ultimate result for spending?
1 posted on 08/15/2002 9:43:10 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: *puff_list
Index Bump
2 posted on 08/15/2002 9:55:54 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Most places that have tried it have seen loss of jobs and revenue to small business. I wonder if a "private club" with a small one time membership fee could be a way around the bans?
3 posted on 08/15/2002 10:00:02 AM PDT by steve50
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The End of the Smoky Bar

The Beginning of Thousands of Drunks Smoking Outside Bars, Disturbing the Pedestrians and Upstairs Neighbors.

4 posted on 08/15/2002 10:05:04 AM PDT by Oschisms
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To: Oschisms
Why go to bars if smoking is not permitted?
5 posted on 08/15/2002 10:13:37 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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Indeed, we might soon see drunks in parks and street corners in NYC.
6 posted on 08/15/2002 10:18:41 AM PDT by Oschisms
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Now that various government entities have figured out how to engineer social change with cigarettes, look for more coming. Once cigarette smoking is stamped out, they'll grow bored and look for new issues. I find government intrusion via tobacco to be an extremely scary phenomenon. It's not just NY either, SD passed a ban on restaurant smoking this year. We'll get where NY is in a few years.
7 posted on 08/15/2002 10:21:34 AM PDT by SoDak
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
We don't care what nanny don't allow
We gonna smoke those coffin nails anyhow
8 posted on 08/15/2002 10:23:19 AM PDT by Lexington Green
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Once cigarette smoking is stamped out, they'll grow bored and look for new issues.

Why would the government eliminate smoking? What about abolishing private manufacturers?

10 posted on 08/15/2002 10:37:10 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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While most of the workers in these establishments and their nonsmoking customers breathe a sigh of relief
Horsemodell. I'd guess that most bartenders smoke. Just about every one of ours does.

-Eric

11 posted on 08/15/2002 10:40:00 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
That would be a dem fantasy come true.
12 posted on 08/15/2002 11:50:46 AM PDT by SoDak
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
More proof that both parties attack property rights when it suits their purposes.

It ain't about smokin' folks.

13 posted on 08/15/2002 11:57:17 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Oschisms
The Beginning of Thousands of Drunks Smoking Outside Bars, Disturbing the Pedestrians and Upstairs Neighbors.

ANTI SMOKERS can't have it all, you could have left the smokers alone...... you reap what you sow.

14 posted on 08/15/2002 12:57:11 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: Oschisms
Indeed, we might soon see drunks in parks and street corners in NYC.

Excuse me..... that has never happened before. ?

15 posted on 08/15/2002 12:58:23 PM PDT by Great Dane
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Sorry, should have read:

Indeed, we might soon see drunks in parks and street corners again in NYC.

16 posted on 08/15/2002 1:18:01 PM PDT by Oschisms
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Indeed, we might soon see drunks in parks and street corners again in NYC.

Thats more like it, thank you. :-}

17 posted on 08/15/2002 6:00:14 PM PDT by Great Dane
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