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CATHOLICS TAKE ACTION AFTER PRIESTS DEFEND PRO-ABORTION POLITICIAN [Mich. gub. candidate Granholm]
Lifesite ^ | 8/14/2002

Posted on 08/16/2002 8:55:20 AM PDT by Notwithstanding

Priest Warps Catholic Teaching on "Pro-Choice" PLYMOUTH, MI, August 14, 2002 (LSN.ca) - Michigan gubernatorial candidate and Our Lady of Good Counsel (OLGC) parish member Jennifer Granholm has caused an uproar in her church after her parish priest defended her "pro-choice" views in the Sunday bulletin. After Granholm was permitted to leaflet parishioners, Fr. Doc Ortman, associate pastor at OLGC, responded to parishioners concerns about Granholm (a supporter of partial-birth abortion) with warped Catholic teaching.

"Many people have come to me in the two weeks just past to ask about television ads which point out that Ms Granholm, our sister, is pro-choice," wrote Ortman in the August 4th Sunday Bulletin. "The concern has come from a mistaken notion that being pro-choice is equal to being pro-abortion. However, choice is part of the very foundation of our Catholic Christian Community." Ortman continued with comments obviously aimed at faithful Catholics in the parish who were concerned about Granholm, "There are some who would gloss over theological reflection for the sake of emotion; these people often end up persecuting other brothers and sisters through their own ignorance."

When parishioners reacted to the false teaching in the bulletin, no retraction was given. OLGC was picketed by pro-lifers with signs demanding a correction. In the following August 11th bulletin, Pastor John Sullivan issued a terse note in the bulletin saying, "we are pro-life and support the anti-abortion movement." There was no apology or correction to Fr. Ortman's writings. Pro-life parishioners also resented Ortman's use of the label "anti-abortion" which is used by abortion advocates to ascribe a falsely negative and limited motive to the pro-life movement.

Matt Bowman, a Catholic demonstrator from Ann Arbor compared the situation to the sexual abuse scandal. "Despite overwhelming complaints, Fr. Sullivan won't retract the abortion rhetoric voiced August 4th by Fr. 'Doc,'" he said. "Both priests should withdraw from active ministry where they might have contact with abortion-bound girls until this matter is thoroughly addressed," demanded Bowman. "Cardinal Maida must enforce a 'Zero Tolerance' policy for aborto-phile priests."

Pro-lifers' picket outside the church received media attention which may force action from the bishop's office. Bowman told LifeSite that the local Catholic radio station has covered the situation extensively and he has been interviewed by local mainstream media as well.

See the bulletins on line and the contact info for the parish at: http://www.catholicweb.com/directory.cfm?fuseaction=display_site_info&sitetype=4&site id=59371&OffAdsOnly=1

Contact information on the Archdiocese of Detroit (See Services) http://www.archdioceseofdetroit.org/


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Free Republic; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: catholic; granholm; maida; prolife
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1 posted on 08/16/2002 8:55:21 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
Go here and then click on the August 4th Bulletin to read the priest's ridiculous article.

http://www.catholicweb.com/directory.cfm?fuseaction=display_site_info&sitetype=4&site id=59371&OffAdsOnly=1
2 posted on 08/16/2002 8:57:30 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
The bulletin said:

"We have a powerful tool at our disposal and that is the power of prayer."

So, in other words, vote for Catholic legislators who support partial birth abortion, but pray that such abortions never take place?

3 posted on 08/16/2002 9:03:05 AM PDT by 07055
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To: Notwithstanding
"The concern has come from a mistaken notion that being pro-choice is equal to being pro-abortion. However, choice is part of the very foundation of our Catholic Christian Community."

We all have the choice to murder one of our fellow human beings too.

Is that choice part of the "very foundation" our their Catholic Christian Community too?

Why does a priest of the Catholic Church endorse the choice to murder one of the unborn? Is this guy one of the lavender mafia too?

4 posted on 08/16/2002 9:15:25 AM PDT by 07055
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To: Notwithstanding
This is SICKENING!!! That priest needs De-FROCKING....IMMEDIATELY. Fr. "Doc"??? What's up with that? That woman better LOSE!
5 posted on 08/16/2002 9:21:04 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: BlackElk
Ping.
6 posted on 08/16/2002 9:36:30 AM PDT by 07055
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To: Notwithstanding
"...a mistaken notion that being pro-choice is equal to being pro-abortion..."

Sorry, but if a Pastor at my church talked like this, he would be FIRED by the congregation.
I guess we're just not as "tolerant" as some of the more enlightened...

7 posted on 08/16/2002 10:10:55 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: Notwithstanding
Our Lady of Good Counsel Parish
1062 Church St.; Plymouth, MI 48170 (offices and mailing address)
Tel.: (734) 453-0326 + Fax.: (734) 416-9257
47650 N. Territorial (church and social hall)

email: Fr. John Sullivan, Pastor
To E-Mail Fr. John: counsel-frjohn@ic.net

Father Doc Ortman, Associate Pastor
To E-mail Father Doc: counsel-frdoc@ic.net

http://ic.net/~counsel/ourlady.htm


8 posted on 08/16/2002 10:36:14 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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""The concern has come from a mistaken notion that being pro-choice is equal to being pro-abortion. However, choice is part of the very foundation of our Catholic Christian Community." ."

"So the Nazis sent some people to camp. We send kids to camp".

9 posted on 08/16/2002 10:39:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Notwithstanding
http://www3.catholicweb.com/bulletins/59371/Aug-04-2002.pdf
10 posted on 08/16/2002 10:49:45 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Comments on Fr. Doc Ortman’s Parish Bulletin Column of August 4, 2002

On August 4, 2002 a column written by Fr. Doc Ortman appeared in the parish bulletin of Our Lady of Good Counsel Parish, Plymouth, MI. In this column, Fr. Ortman made, among others, the following assertions:

1) Being pro-choice is not the same as being pro-abortion.

2) People opposed to legal abortion “would have the state legislate the freedom that only God could give or take.”

3) “Those who regard Ms. Granholm as a ‘heretic’ do not understand, nor do they wish to understand, that choice is a blessed gift.”

4) “Make no mistake, Christians are pro choice in the purest sense of the term.”


Response:

Father Ortman’s column distorts the Catholic moral teaching on abortion. Since he is a priest and a teacher of the faith, it is likely that his attempt to create confusion in this area is deliberate, culpable and a cause for scandal. However, even if Fr. Ortman is the victim of poor theological training, he has a grave obligation to correct the confusion he has caused to the faithful. We, therefore, call for a public retraction on his part and a public declaration of his full support for the Catholic doctrine that “direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or a means, always constitutes a grave moral evil” (John Paul II, The Gospel of Life, 62 [1995]). A few other points must be made.

1) The Catholic Church teaches that abortion is “an unspeakable crime” (Vatican II, Gaudium et Spes, 51). This teaching is infallible. It is “based upon the natural law and upon the written Word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s Tradition and taught by ordinary and universal Magisterium” (Gospel of Life, 51). The Second Vatican Council teaches that definitive judgments of the ordinary and universal Magisterium are infallible (cf. Lumen Gentium, 25). Moreover, John Paul II has confirmed the definitive, infallible status of the Church’s condemnation of abortion in his encyclical, The Gospel of Life (cf. no. 62). The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines heresy as “the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith” (*2089). There is every reason to believe that those Catholics who openly reject the Church’s clear condemnation of abortion are at least in material heresy and liable to the excommunication specified in Canon 1364 of the 1983 Code of Canon of Canon Law. Thus, those who have labeled Ms. Granholm’s views on abortion as “heretical” have a firm basis for their judgment in spite of what Fr. Ortman claims.

2) Fr. Ortman confuses the Church’s teaching on human freedom with an acceptance of the legal freedom to choose abortion. Here, he shows himself to be very wide of the mark. In 1972, The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith taught that any law which supports the legal right to abortion is immoral and, indeed, no law at all (cf. Declaration on Procured Abortion, 21-22). Moreover, the Congregation made it clear that no one can “take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or vote for it” (no, 22). This teaching is reaffirmed by Pope John Paul II in the Gospel of Life in these words:

Abortion and euthanasia are thus crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection” (no. 73, emphasis in original).

3) The US Catholic Bishops have taught on several occasions that the “pro-choice” position on abortion is not acceptable for Catholics. In their 1989 “Resolution on Abortion,” the US Bishops declared: “No Catholic can responsibly take a ‘pro-choice’ stand when the ‘choice’ in question involves the taking of innocent human life” (Origins, Vol.19: No. 24; Nov. 16, 1989, p. 395). In their 1998 statement, Living the Gospel of Life: A Challenge to American Catholics, the Bishops note:

No public official, especially one claiming to be a faithful and serious Catholic, can responsibly advocate for or actively support direct attacks on innocent human life...Those who justify their inaction on the grounds that abortion is the law of the land need to recognize that there is a higher law, the law of God. No human law can validly contradict the Commandment: “Thou shalt not kill.”

4) In light of these clear doctrines of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, we call upon Cardinal Maida to demand that Fr. Ortman make a public retraction of the misleading and scandalous views expressed in his column. We also ask for an open declaration by Fr. Ortman of his full support for the infallible Catholic doctrine on the immorality of abortion and the invalidity of the laws that permit abortion. We also ask that Jennifer Granholm either distance herself from advocacy for legal abortion or else be denied the right to receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church. This latter policy would be in accord with the courageous stand taken by Bishop Leo Maher of San Diego who in 1989 informed California Assemblywoman, Lucy Killea, that her pro-choice position on abortion prevented her from the worthy reception of holy communion (cf. Origins, Vol. 19: No. 28; Dec. 14, 1989, p. 457).
11 posted on 08/16/2002 10:52:32 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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When this article was first posted I e-mailed the "Doc" and copied it to his boss. Not surprisingly, I never received a reply. I did point out that the "Doc" must believe that he was preaching to a congregation of brainless idiots if he thought they would swallow his double-talk. Heh, heh. They aren't brainless idiots.
12 posted on 08/16/2002 10:55:35 AM PDT by Orual
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Ortman is another moral relativist donning a Roman collar and masquerading as a Catholic priest. He should be given the opportunity to see what life has to offer outside of the priesthood.
13 posted on 08/16/2002 11:29:43 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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He should be given the opportunity to see what life has to offer outside of the priesthood.

That's exactly what I suggested he do.

14 posted on 08/16/2002 11:31:43 AM PDT by Orual
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To: 07055
"The bulletin said:
"We have a powerful tool at our disposal and that is the power of prayer."

Well you can't beat prayer but another 'choice' is the collection basket at another parish.

15 posted on 08/16/2002 11:45:45 AM PDT by ex-snook
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To: Notwithstanding
This is a priest who should be laicized YESTERDAY.
16 posted on 08/16/2002 11:52:11 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Notwithstanding
Well said.
17 posted on 08/16/2002 12:01:09 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
"Ortman is another moral relativist donning a Roman collar and masquerading as a Catholic priest. He should be given the opportunity to see what life has to offer outside of the priesthood."

. you know, I would rather have ONE moral and spiritual and Catholic priest left standing than thousands that stand for nothing.....

and by the way, what exactly is a "Roman Catholic Christian"?

18 posted on 08/16/2002 12:22:28 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Notwithstanding
Detriot is also btw one of the areas that homosexual preists get a lot of their support from. Many gay "fathers" have stated that the higherups in the detroit area have supported them. Sean Hannity talked to a fag preist on his show that talked about detriot's support of his kind.
19 posted on 08/16/2002 12:26:26 PM PDT by Brush_Your_Teeth
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Evil must destroy from within - pro abortion - homosexual – pedophile – he’s just doing his masters bidding for which he will receive eternal damnation! (he's expecting 72 virgins but what the hell!)
20 posted on 08/16/2002 12:34:31 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001
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