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Lap dance rules have some hot, bothered
YAHOO! News ^ | Mon Aug 19, 7:56 AM ET | John Ritter

Posted on 08/19/2002 9:57:24 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez

LAS VEGAS -- Here in Sin City, a modern Gomorrah built on the notion that there's a little bit of naughtiness in all of us, erotic dancing is hardly excessive in a town that takes $10,000 blackjack wagers.

One type in particular, the lap dance, in which scantily clad women bump and grind on male customers in a sexually suggestive way, has been for years a staple in the ''gentlemen's clubs'' that prosper away from the glare of the Strip's mega-resorts and casinos.

Erotic entertainment is so much a part of the landscape that even people outside the industry were scratching their heads earlier this month after Clark County commissioners approved strict regulations on lap dancing. The rules would apply only to parts of the county and the Strip that are outside Las Vegas city limits.

Lawyers for some clubs threatened First Amendment lawsuits. Dancers, estimated at 5,000 or more, vowed to organize, register to vote and seek revenge at the polls. Newspaper editorials lambasted commissioners for wasting time on a trivial matter.

Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman, a former lawyer for the mob who never misses a chance to tweak his rivals in the county, joined in, too. ''If the commissioners want to put all of their adult cabarets on rollers, all they have to do is push them in my direction,'' the mayor says.

Commissioners considered banning any contact between dancers and customers but opted for less-stringent rules.

The rules that brought a snicker across this desert valley prohibit clubs that serve alcohol from employing anyone under 21, prohibit contact between a female dancer's breasts and any part of a customer's body and ban the practice of customers putting bills in dancers' G-strings. It also allows grinding against a customer's leg, but no contact with a customer's feet.

Two commissioners who voted for the law have had second thoughts, and it could be revised or repealed at the panel's meeting Tuesday. But some experts say the county is on solid legal ground.

Courts have ruled that, unlike topless or nude dancing, which has some protection under the First Amendment's free-speech clause, a lap dance with contact between dancer and patron is considered conduct, not expression.

''The argument is that this is not simply the communication of an idea, that it comes closer to an act, the sale of sexual services,'' says Jesse Choper, a constitutional law professor at the University of California-Berkeley. Andrea Hackett, a dancer at Deja vu Showgirls, is organizing the Las Vegas Dancers Alliance. ''You would just about need a manual to do a lap dance out here,'' she says. ''First you have to decide if you're in the city or the county. Then you need an anatomy book because apparently we need to stay away from customers' feet. It's pure madness.''

Dancers also say the law would unfairly deny dancers under 21 their jobs in topless clubs that serve alcohol and drive them to clubs featuring nude dancing because, by law, those establishments can't serve alcohol.

A lap dance in a club's public area costs $20, up to five times more in a ''private VIP room,'' although a bouncer is present. A dancer can gross $200 to $1,000 a night.

Club owners and dancers say there's little evidence to support charges that erotic dancing promotes prostitution. Solicitation is grounds for firing a dancer. A club risks losing its liquor license. Surveillance cameras and bouncers monitor customers and dancers.

Las Vegas won't follow the county's crackdown but might license dancers and collect fees, Goodman says. ''We are the adult entertainment capital of the world, and we'll do everything we can to promote anything that is legal.''


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"Lawyers for some clubs threatened First Amendment lawsuits. Dancers, estimated at 5,000 or more, vowed to organize, register to vote and seek revenge at the polls."

Is it just me, or is that just plain funny?

1 posted on 08/19/2002 9:57:24 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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FYI!
2 posted on 08/19/2002 10:01:40 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
It also allows grinding against a customer's leg, but no contact with a customer's feet.

NO FEET!?!?!? That does it! No more Vegas for me!

3 posted on 08/19/2002 10:05:54 PM PDT by TexasNative2000
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Not that I want a lapdance (it's rather like having a steak prepared in front of you but being forbidden to eat it), but it does seem to me that this is rather akin to the the ridiculousness that the EU provides whenever it decides it, say, wants to tell us what curvature our bananas can be.

I'm talking about the fruit, mind you.

One wonders what prompted this. Did someone want a promotion to be "Inspector of Lap Dances"?

Regards, Ivan

4 posted on 08/19/2002 10:09:27 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: TexasNative2000
You know, I read that a few times and decided that whoever wrote that into the bill has some serious fetishes.
5 posted on 08/19/2002 10:13:07 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: MadIvan
Hey there!

I want that job!
6 posted on 08/19/2002 10:13:42 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I want that job!

You'll probably have to compete with Weird Bill for it. ;)

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 08/19/2002 10:14:57 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Reports of the demise of lap dancing in Las Vegas are greatly exaggerated.

Trust me on this one, kiddos.

8 posted on 08/19/2002 10:16:24 PM PDT by strela
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I would have loved being in the commissioners meeting when they discussed the "No Feet Contact" rule. Wonder if they list any other body parts that are off-limits?
9 posted on 08/19/2002 10:17:33 PM PDT by TexasNative2000
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To: strela
Reports of the demise of lap dancing in Las Vegas are greatly exaggerated

How they were going to ban it in a state where prostitution is legal is beyond me. "I wasn't lap dancing with him officer, we were having sex", etc.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 08/19/2002 10:22:08 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
How they were going to ban it in a state where prostitution is legal is beyond me.

The new rules are cheap publicity for the politicians in question; a cynical attempt to appear to be "tough on 'crime'." And as far as the new rules go, they're enforced only in the big resorts. The cabbies and the hotel doormen know the places where you can have lap dances (as well as other physical calisthenics otherwise illegal in Clark County) until judgement trump, and no one will say a word about it.

All it takes to find anything you want in Las Vegas is a few shekels in the right palms, and not all that many at that.

11 posted on 08/19/2002 10:32:45 PM PDT by strela
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To: strela
All it takes to find anything you want in Las Vegas is a few shekels in the right palms, and not all that many at that.

That can be said about almost anywhere, really.

As Shostakovich put into one of his operas: "Life's a smoothly moving groove if you have only got the right connections."

Regards, Ivan

12 posted on 08/19/2002 10:35:33 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
I like Mark Twain's 1902 take on the subject just as much:

The low level which commercial morality has reached in America is deplorable. We have humble God fearing Christian men among us who will stoop to do things for a million dollars that they ought not to be willing to do for less than 2 millions.

13 posted on 08/19/2002 10:38:09 PM PDT by strela
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To: strela
And don't forget Twain's advice (in his Theoretical and Practical Morals):

As by the fires of experience, so by commission of crime, you learn real morals. Commit all the crimes, familiarize yourself with all sins, take them in rotation (there are only two or three thousand of them), stick to it, commit two or three every day, and by-and-by you will be proof against them. When you are through you will be proof against all sins and morally perfect. You will be vaccinated against every possible commission of them. This is the only way.

14 posted on 08/19/2002 10:41:32 PM PDT by strela
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Nevada is the libertarian state oh commies and social(ist) conservatives plz leave us at least one state LOL. Damn commisioners.
15 posted on 08/19/2002 11:11:13 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The story behind the story: One of the councilwomen caught her husband at one of the strip clubs getting a lap dance and is pissed off! Funny thing is she has been in trouble for ethics violations in the past. She was hitting up casinos for a frozen cocktail business. Her name is Yvonne Atkinson Gates.
16 posted on 08/20/2002 12:06:45 AM PDT by big bad easter bunny
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I think the NHL was successfully sued for not allowing 18 year olds with talent a chance to earn a livelihood. If that's right and there are 18 year old girls who are particularly good at lap dancing, with or without breast contact, and with or without assistance from a customer's toes, then it seems unfair not to give them a chance to earn a living doing what they do so well.
17 posted on 08/20/2002 12:46:15 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: MadIvan
You are correct. By the way if those idiots in Brussels have their way they will regulate the curvature of your bananna also. And no, not the fruit.

Regards,

18 posted on 08/20/2002 3:57:03 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine
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To: Jimmy Valentine
You are correct. By the way if those idiots in Brussels have their way they will regulate the curvature of your bananna also. And no, not the fruit.

If they tried the tabloids (yes the ones with naked women) would accuse them of being drooling perverts and we'd leave the EU tomorrow. ;)

Regards, Ivan

19 posted on 08/20/2002 3:59:58 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
This stuff reminds of the story about the Puritans who sat up late at night worrying that somewhere people were having fun which they shouldn't be having (or some quote like that). At my age you couldn't get to walk across the street to experience this "entertainment", but why some people get their skivvies in a twist about it is beyond me.

More than thirty years ago "erotic" dancing and x-rated movies were common in my old hometown and I'm sure many others in the Midwest. Now they are almost totally absent in these parts. Let these stupid behaviors die a natural death by being ignored or segregated in obscurity rather working oneself up in a lather about them.

20 posted on 08/20/2002 4:18:30 AM PDT by driftless
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