Are Dr. Judith Reisman's claims about homosexuals and pedophilia phony?

You forgot to mention the homosexual (same-sex) hierarchy, training, and living arrangements for these priests. You also forgot to mention that they are often thrust into "male role models" for boys (such as Scouts, "altar boys," and choir). You also forgot to mention that they are expected to snuff out every single sexual impulse that normal men feel every single day. You also forgot to mention their strongly religious leanings. You also forgot to mention...

So, thrusting them into male role model positions like Scouts and altar boys makes them more likely to molest? I doubt it, but that would be another reason to prevent homosexual scoutmasters from close contact with teenage boys.

The result? Literally thousands of teenage boy molestations (and tens of thousands of incidents of individual molestation) by the homosexual priests, with relatively very few cases of molestation of teenagers by the heterosexual priests.

I have a few questions. One: Do you deliberately select the phraseology that makes you appear most hysterical?

Right. Now we get onto homosexuals favorite pastime - name calling. It is just the truth that the vast, vast majority of molestations in the Catholic Church debacle are homosexual in nature. Madg - you are living in a bubble somewhere if you think that parents aren't drawing the appropriate conclusions from all of this. Stay away from kids, gay guy.

Finally, her statement that homosexuality leads to disease, dysfunction and death can be attributed only to ignorance and a paucity of factual information.

They're dropping like flies and there's a huge quilt to prove it. It's got to be worse than smoking.

Well, I think you get the idea. The subset of Roman Catholic priests is IN NO WAY representative of society at large. Not even close. I would be hard pressed to name a more non-representative group of men... okay, maybe an aborigine hunting party... or televangelists.

I just love this. Homosexual priests are 'different.' Good one.

There is a substantial body of scientific evidence that I have been posting, indicating that somewhere between 20% and 40% of all homosexual men are inclined to have sexual relations with boys who are under the legal age of consent. This is a felony.

If there were an equivalent amount of evidence proving that some other extremely small demographic group, without any organization or political clout, and without any friends in the media, had the same level of inclination to commit this type of felony, they would be systematically excluded from any contact with teenaged boys.

Teenaged boys have rights. Their parents also have rights. They have a right to trust their schools, sports teams, churches and youth organizations to screen out employees and volunteers who are high-risk.

There is a substantial body of scientific evidence that I have been posting, indicating that somewhere between 20% and 40% of all homosexual men are inclined to have sexual relations with boys who are under the legal age of consent. This is a felony.

Teenaged boys have rights. Their parents also have rights. They have a right to trust their schools, sports teams, churches and youth organizations to screen out employees and volunteers who are high-risk.

Thank you Bryan for posting the numbers which only confirm what is obvious to everyone. I have compassion for homosexuals, and for the difficulties in life they have to deal with, given their particular disorder. However, homosexual men have no inherent right, no fundamental dispensation, to be in close and intimate contact with other people's teenage boys. Neither do they have the right to teach or prosyletize teenage boys with the sicko gaydeology that so many would like to push on our youth. Parents do have rights - one of the most fundamental of which is to keep their children protected from those who have a sexual attraction toward them (and many of whom cannot control that attraction), and to teach them what they believe about human sexuality. Madg - I was never an enemy of the gay rights movement until I came to see that my children are actually potentially endangered, both in my Church and in scouts, and in places (like sports teams), where homosexual men can come in close contact with my sons, and until homosexual activists have started to try to push their (highly disordered) notions about human sexuality on my children in school and elsewhere. The bottom line - stay away from my children - or the fight will be fierce and forever.

Please direct the readers and me to precisely that part of the BSA's program for Scouts that uses the words "gay" or "homosexual."

Boy Scouts shows a film to teenage scouts showing them exactly how (homosexual) molestations occur. Scouts are warned to resist and report such advances. Out of deference to the rabid homosexual community, they don't use those words. They don't have to. Men making sexual advances on young men have obvious homosexual attractions. Every single kid and parent who watches the films knows exactly what they are talking about. Such films help young men resist when they are told lies by homosexual molestors (as many have been told in the Catholic Chruch), that such is 'normal' or 'good for you' or 'that this is part of growing up', etc. etc. These films, I (and many, many others) believe, help to prevent many, many homosexual molestations. The Catholic Church should have the same thing. But better would be to de-queerize the priesthood, and let parents trust priests again with their sons.

Reasons why madg believes homosexual priests are more likely to molest teenage boys than homosexual men in general...

You forgot to mention the homosexual (same-sex) hierarchy, training, and living arrangements for these priests. You also forgot to mention that they are often thrust into "male role models" for boys (such as Scouts, "altar boys," and choir). You also forgot to mention that they are expected to snuff out every single sexual impulse that normal men feel every single day. You also forgot to mention their strongly religious leanings. You also forgot to mention...

'the homosexual (same-sex) training..'

Being around those of the same sex does not make homosexual men molest young men.

being thrust into male role molels for boys -

You're right! Homosexual men shouldn't be male role models - because they are tempted to molest when they are.

'snuffing out sexual impulses'<

- Actually, if you read Goodbye Good Men, as an example, you'll discover that the Catholic Church is a hotbed of active homosexual activity. No impulses snuffed out there.

'religious training'

- Right. Good Catholic morality leads homosexual men to molest young men. Very good, madg.

It's quite obvious that many homosexual men (whether they be priests or not) act on sexual attractions to teenage boys (young men). Either the Church de-Queerizes itself, or teenage boys will not be safe with priests.

lentulusgracchus- (#115) Bottom line?

How about "the truth"? How about acknowledging that all squares (people who identify as homosexual) are parallelograms (people who commit homosexual acts), but not all parallelograms are squares.

That's what it boils down to and any study, meta-analysis, or essay that fails to keep squares and rectangles and parallelograms straight is bogus. 1-2% identify as homosexual, yet 30-40% have committed at least one homosexual act -- that's a world of difference when crunching numbers.

JCG- (#116) I didn't "narrow" the definition; I used one of Bryan's two. 1-2% of the population identifies as homosexual; 30-40% of the population has committed a homosexual act -- which group does Gacy, Cohn, and Liberace fall into?

Aren't we all making too much fuss about the issue of homosexuals and pedophilia? As Bryan says, only a tiny percentage of Americans are homosexuals, so they can't be responsible for ALL acts of felony against underage boys. Surely we should be rooting out homosexual tendencies in ALL Americans, especially in American males, and ensuring that teenaged boys are supervised at all times. They are even at risk of criminal sexual acts by heterosexual women, who have frequently been known to seduce underage youths.

Apart from this, the Catholic Church should put its house in order.

Didn't know this thread was still going...

yendu bwam: Homosexual men are sexually attracted to teenage boys.

madg: Homosexual men are attracted to other men.

I realize you guys went over this yesterday but I have to put in my $.02.

Yes, homosexuals are attracted to men and teenage boys. I grew up in liberal Santa Cruz, CA and have had more than my share of homosexual men try to seduce me, with drugs, money and gifts. Yes, I was a teenager.

When I was 16 years old and worked in a Union 76 gas station, after repeated, and I do mean repeated denials to be his "butty", one homosexual whose name was Bill requested: "Can't I just see it."

Bill always drove nice cars. He had a job in sales that, he claimed paid well. Before he asked to "see it" he offered me free travel across the western states, money and gifts.

Marvin owned a popular business in Santa Cruz. He always invited teenage kids to his house. I made the mistake of stopping by once where he made his move. First he tried to get me high on marijuana, when I declined he tried cocaine. As I was about to leave, and in a hurry, he walked over to my chair and put his hand on my leg above the knee and tried to slide his hand up. I grabbed his hand and nearly broke it, then walked out. Unfortunately his business was popular for teenagers so a lot of us hung out there. I constantly warned my friends about Marvin, who kept trying to get me into drugs and was always grabbing my butt or trying to grab my butt. His last offer was to live with him. Haven't seen him since.

Tony was a completely different case. Writing me love notes at work when I was 17 years old. Always trying to get me to his place to check out his stereo. Tony would write down my work schedule and wait for me outside. He would try to hold my hand, grab and kiss me. Since this liberal company supported the homosexual life and wouldn't help, I walked off the job.

There are others but I do have a day job to get back to.

Yes, homosexual men are attracted to teenage boys. Of that there is no doubt.

Yes, homosexuals are attracted to men and teenage boys. I grew up in liberal Santa Cruz, CA and have had more than my share of homosexual men try to seduce me, with drugs, money and gifts. Yes, I was a teenager.

Yeah, I had several such advances made toward me in college (though thankfully, not in high school). One ended in a fight in the locker room. Homosexual men should be kept away from teenage boys - in scouts, in Church, in sports and anywhere else.

Surely we should be rooting out homosexual tendencies in ALL Americans, especially in American males, and ensuring that teenaged boys are supervised at all times.

Most Americans understand that homosexuality is a serious psychological disorder (that can frequently be cured). What many are doing now - encouraging youth in homosexual behavior - is a form of child abuse. And you're right. Teenage boys should never be left alone with a homosexual man.

"root out homosexual tendencies in ALL Americans"? With, like, a test or something?

I tend to think Reisman, Cameron, Bryan, et al are counter-productive in preventing sexual abuse of children. The logic goes that since these molestations are same-sex, therefore the perpetrators are homosexual. The conclusion is that we need to keep homosexuals away from kids.

Before the recent scandal in the Church, how many people would think "priest" when someone says the word "homosexual"? How many people would suspect a man who is married and has his own biological children when they hear the word "homosexual"? Noone suspects (or suspected) those people -- "homosexual" means the queen prancing at the head of the Gay Pride parades.

I suspect that we have less to worry about from the queen than we do the priest or the married-man, if only because none would suspect them. One may hold his kid back from a camping-trip led by the queen, but who gives a second-thought to the man leading a trip that includes his own son?

Less effort should be spent demonizing homosexuals and more on actually protecting kids. Stuff such ensuring that NO adult is ever alone with a kid in personal moments such as sleeping, toileting, showering, etc. Ensuring kids know "good touch/bad touch". Ensuring kids know enough about sex that they aren't likely to be misled by a "trusted" non-family member.

I do not believe that people who identify as homosexual are the disproportionately large threat that these people are trying to make them out to be.

Associated Press Poll conducted by ICR. May 17-21, 2000. N=1,012 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

Split sample, Form A: "In general, do you think gays and lesbians should or should not be allowed to be legally married?"

Should..........................34
Should not...................51
Don't know..................11
Refused..........................3

Split sample, Form B: "In general, do you think gays and lesbians should or should not be allowed to form a domestic partnership that would give the same-sex couple the same rights and benefits as opposite sex marriage?"

Should..........................41
Should not...................46
Don't know..................11
Refused..........................3

http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

Homosexual men should be kept away from teenage boys - in scouts, in Church, in sports and anywhere else.

As you said, "and anywhere else". I say this for the lurkers who haven't really thought about it, but restrooms are another place parents need to guard their kids from homosexuals. To tweak one of your analogies a little, for obvious reasons we don't allow men in the womens restroom, so why not use the same discretion with your kids in regards to sexual harassment? No matter how inconvenient, parents must protect their kids in restrooms.

Yeesh! I can't even peek in here without seeing something that’s just plain wrong.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... While true that people are more accepting of homosexuality, just like they're more accepting of handicapped people, the average person knows fully well that homosexuality is a disorder. People are most honest when it comes to their children. Ask 100 parents if they think their kids should be taught that homosexuality is 'normal', that anal intercourse is 'clean' or 'normal' or something that they should try, that two men having sex is the same as a man and a woman having sex. In fact, the vast, vast majority of people understand anal intercourse to be a filthy, germ-ridden, unnatural, and disgusting practice - and one that has, more than any other, caused the AIDs epidemic in the US. People are nice and polite and accepting - and that's good. They don't think homosexuality is normal. C'mon, madg. Do you think a man humping another man's rectum is 'normal' or 'clean' or 'healthy'?