Are Dr. Judith Reisman's claims about homosexuals and pedophilia phony?

I usually take the precaution, when flipping back to view a post etc., of pasting my reply under composition into a NotePad window. I was tired, and neglected to do that.

As to your other comment, I would point to the fuzzy parsing of the original question,

Are Dr. Judith Reisman's claims about homosexuals and pedophilia phony?

To-wit, is our friend asking about Judith Reisman's phoniness or sincerity, or is he asking whether her claims are true or not? If the latter, then the subject isn't really Reisman's personal reliability, is it? Instead, it is a simple question of whether Reisman is correct irrespective of other considerations.

But I think you want to talk about Reisman.

So far my analysis of your post shows that your sources are really Loretta Haroian (so why not post her?) and a U. Penn. professor. Better to see their quotes in context and in full. Will try to find these. But it isn't incumbent on us simply to accept at face something that a couple of hostile academics said -- on the internal evidence alone, they were very hostile -- rather than seek a fuller review by a wider audience of academics and people who know how to use statistics.

With all due respect, Bryan, what you say in your #239 is something you've just made up, so it proves nothing.

What I DO know is that in all the news stories of sexual offenses against children - pedophile offenses - the perpetrators are predominantly men who have lived their lives as heterosexuals.

Now, do you have any statistics on the percentage of males who are bisexual? I have heard that many married men have "affairs" with homosexual men, while leading an ostensibly conventional family life. In fact I have read that many homosexual men prefer to marry and have children because they wish to have as normal a family life as they can, and otherwise live as apparently normal Americans.

Oh, and I think we should disregard all Kinsey's statistics. As much of this has been questioned, and as his survey was carried out a very long time ago, I don't think he has much to say to Americans today.

The example I gave in Post #239 was hypothetical. It was simply intended to show how (I think) you're misunderstanding the statistics. This is what your previous post said:

Aren't we agreed that Kinsey was in error and that only 1-2 percent of Americans are homosexual? Yet more than 1-2 percent of sexual acts on underage persons are homosexual ones. Therefore there are many heterosexuals (including married men and priests) who like to perform sexual acts with persons of the same sex.

Look at the hypothetical example in Post #239. Even though 2% of the community was made up of homosexual men, 40% of the incidents of sexual contact between an adult and a teenager under the age of legal consent involved a man and a teenaged boy. But none of them involved a heterosexual man and a teenaged boy.

I can think of a couple of factors which might be leading to that perception: (A) closeted bisexual men, who show a "heterosexual face" to the public but carry on homosexual affairs secretly; and (B) the distortions by the gay-friendly left-wing media.

Now, do you have any statistics on the percentage of males who are bisexual?

No, I don't.

I have heard that many married men have "affairs" with homosexual men, while leading an ostensibly conventional family life. In fact I have read that many homosexual men prefer to marry and have children because they wish to have as normal a family life as they can, and otherwise live as apparently normal Americans.

Exactly. Perhaps these are the "heterosexuals" who are involved in homosexual conduct. They aren't actually heterosexual, even though they claim to be.

Oh, and I think we should disregard all Kinsey's statistics. As much of this has been questioned, and as his survey was carried out a very long time ago, I don't think he has much to say to Americans today.

There are many areas of human behavior that haven't changed much in 3000 years. The Scriptures address them, and they have as much meaning today as when they were written. So I don't think that the passage of 50 years makes Kinsey's data obsolete.

Regarding its original accuracy, certainly the 10% figure has been discredited. But Gebhard & Johnson conducted a very detailed review of his work in The Kinsey Data, and clearly identified the portions which were useless, and other portions which used sound methodology.

I've seen very many references to this phenomenon. Here is a link to some information on homosexuals wanting to be married and have children.

http://www.othersheep.org/marriedGays.htm

I'll quote a little from what is a long article:

Leonard Bernstein (1918-1990) "reveled in his private life as a homosexual, yet his marriage to Felicia Montealegre Cohn lasted until her death in 1978 and produced three children."

Obituary article, Time (Oct. 29, 1990) p. 43.

Contrary to popular mythologies and caricatures, one of the commonest among "Gay lifestyles" is the phenomenon of "married" homosexuals. Studies indicate that as many as 25% of homosexuals "marry" and two-thirds of these "marriages" end in separation or divorce within 3-5 years. One Roman Catholic authority estimates that 30% of Catholic divorces involve a homosexual partner. Nevertheless, both Catholic and Protestant leaders continue to advocate "marriage" as a possible "cure" for anyone with "homosexual tendencies" (although so far as I know, no one seems to be too eager for his/her daughter to marry one!).

And here is a bibliography on this subject ...

Buxton, Amity P. (1991). The Other Side of the Closet: The Coming-Out Crisis Straight Spouses. Santa Mnica, California: IBS.

Gochros, Jean S. (1989). When Husbands Come Out Of The Closet. New York: Harrington Press.

Hill, Ivan, ed. (1987). The Bisexual Spouse. McLean, Virginia: Barlina.

Whitney, Catherine (1990). Uncommon Lives: Gay Men and Straight Women. Brattleboro, Vermont: NAL.

And here is another reference.

"How would you feel if your husband of 35 years, the father of your two sons, suddenly announced that he is gay? How would you cope if he left you for another man? This scenario is actually common! One out of ten husbands is bisexually active and an estimated two million homosexual men are or have been married to straight wives.

"Where do you turn if this happens to you or a someone you love? My Husband Is Gay: A Woman's Guide To Surviving The Crisis is Carol Grever's own story, supported by the experience of 25 other women who have survived the shock of learning of their husbands' homosexuality.

" "My husband and I had been married for more than 30 years when he told me that he had 'homosexual tendencies,' as he delicately understated it. That single moment changed both our lives forever, for once we know the truth, we cannot ever go back to ignorance," Grever explains."

http://www.bookflash.com/releases/100410.html

Here's another story.

"Having parents that were very busy drinking themselves into an early grave I made up my mind that when I grew up I wanted a husband that loved and served God. I saw my sister marry a man who dedicated himself to preach the word so I decided that was what I wanted.

"I wasn't going to take any chances so I attended a Bible College after high school graduation. It wasn't only to find a "preacher" husband that I went, but also I wanted to equip myself to work in the kingdom along side the man God was going to bring into my life. Oh, what a lofty thought!

"I met and married the man of my dreams at Bible College. I was a student in my fifth year (it takes longer to graduate when you can't decide on a major) and he was a professor. We met, dated and married all within two months. Now I wouldn't advise that for everyone but it worked for me. We've been married for thirty-two years and hopefully we will have many more years together.

"Our children grew up knowing the Lord and serving Him. Our oldest son went to be with the Lord when he was 18 years old; our other two children married and moved away from home. Sounds good so far doesn't it, and really not much different than the "normal" families that you see in your church every Sunday morning. Ah, but there was a dark side.

"I walked into the house after work and began to fix supper, just like any other evening. The phone rang, I answered and my husband said "I'm in jail. Please get $200 out of the bank and come get me out."

"All the way there I tried to figure out why he got arrested and believe me I thought of every possibility but one. When I arrived and paid the bail I asked them what he had been arrested for. Something about having a lewd picture. I was directed to go stand in the alley behind the police station until he came down. That's a lot of fun, let me tell you, especially when it's dark, which it was.

"Try to picture this if you can: inside the church in the preacher's office, I'm sitting, he's standing. He told me where he was arrested (a park) and this means nothing to me. Then he says, "I'm gay and have been since I was nine years old"(at this time he was 52 years old). I remember asking him if he wanted to change and he said yes, that he'd been praying for all these years but nothing ever seemed to last. I asked him if he'd be willing to take an AIDS test. He said yes. I told him that I loved him and that we would get through this together. We hugged, I prayed for him and for us and we talked a while longer and he said that he needed to tell the preacher. We called him but he wasn't at home. We locked up the church and went home. The next day was Saturday and I was to attend a funeral of a very dear friend and co-worker. I realize now that God was with me, but then I felt so alone and terrified. The thought came to me in my anguish that this was the same person I loved, just a part of him that I didn't know about. I know in my heart of hearts that this was a message from God so that I would be able to stay with my husband. In all these very rough years since that day I still believe that was a message God sent just for me."

http://www.lovinggraceministry.org/testimonies/carol.html

See also the information on the following website

http://www.peoplecanchange.com/wives_supporting_gay_husbands_who_want_to_change_5.htm

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