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To: Bryan
Reposting because it applies to Cameron and Reisman and Rind and every other meta-analytica 'scientist' with an ax to grind.
I did read it: Bryan makes a mean fruit-salad, but as a researcher he leaves a lot to be desired.

What I mean by that is that he compares apples to oranges to grapes to nuts, and I think there's a few carrots tossed in the mix, too.

To start with, he spends an entire section disproving Kinsey's 10% rate of homosexuality. Two problems with that: first, he references that same study, or examinations of that study, no less than 5 times as proof of how degenerate homosexuals are, and second, Kinsey didn't say 10% of the population is homosexual. Kinsey said 4% of the population is exclusively homosexual throughout their lives beginning in adolescence, 8% are exclusively homosexual for at least 3 years between the ages of 16 and 55, 10% are more or less homosexual for at least 3 years between ages 16 and 55.

He also notes in disproving Kinsey Maslow's observation that people tend to lie or withhold intimate sexual secrets -- I guess he felt that some portion of heterosexuals would claim to be homosexual, thus skewing the percentages higher? Feel free to disagree, but it's my feeling that if people are going to lie or withhold sexual secrets, it's going to be in favor of the societal norms, not the opposite. But then, Bryan doesn't bother to take into account Maslow's observation as it would apply to the surveys that say what Bryan likes -- anywhere from 1.1 to 2.8% of American males claim to be exclusively homosexual, and by god, that's rock-solid TRVTH.

Which brings up another point. "Exclusively" homosexual. He muddies the water of what is and what isn't a "homosexual". Dr. Adrian Copeland reported that 40-45% of child molestors have had "significant homosexual experiences" -- that's not "exclusively" homosexual. The Canadian study states 42% "engaged in homosexuality" -- that's not "exclusively" homosexual, either. Even Kinsey's study reported 37% had "at least some overt homosexual experience", but noone has ever claimed that 37% of the population is homosexual because of it -- yet Bryan wishes us to think that "significant homosexual experiences" and "engag(ing) in homosexuality" equals "homosexuals". (I'm purposely ignoring those where he stated some percentage were "homosexual" as it's impossible to know if that's Bryan's statement or what the individual's admitted.)

Jumping down a ways to another fun one, Murder and Mass Murder. (I have no intention of going point by point through this mess, nor of continuing beyond this post -- either you'll understand, or you won't and never will).

John Wayne Gacy killed 33 men and boys. Bryan calls him "a homosexual", which given the events, that may or may not be true. However, he was married twice and had children; on Bryan's surveys and on Kinsey's, Maslow's observation would have been in effect: he never admitted to being homosexual, even in numerous confessions while in prison. He's not part of the 1-3 or 4% -- he's part of the heterosexual numbers because that's where he would have placed himself. And again with the murders, we run into the difference between "exclusively" homosexual and "bisexual" and "practiced homosexuality" and "enaged in homosexuality". Bryan's numbers don't even included "bisexuality". We run into what they were convicted of vs. what they admitted to, and Bryan's rate of homosexuality numbers rely solely on what people were willing to admit.

In conclusion, "homosexual acts" do not equal "admitted being exclusively homosexual" by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, Bryan looked up and found what he was looking for to suit an agenda, but the word-play, twisted definitions, and number-crunching doesn't stand up to any sort of objective examination.


74 posted on 08/30/2002 7:52:40 PM PDT by JoshGray
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To: JoshGray
John Wayne Gacy killed 33 men and boys. Bryan calls him "a homosexual", which given the events, that may or may not be true. However, he was married twice and had children; on Bryan's surveys and on Kinsey's, Maslow's observation would have been in effect: he never admitted to being homosexual, even in numerous confessions while in prison.

John Wayne Gacy told his second wife he preferred boys to her. He's a homosexual! The behavior and the preference define it.

76 posted on 08/31/2002 4:30:06 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: JoshGray
In conclusion, "homosexual acts" do not equal "admitted being exclusively homosexual" by any stretch of the imagination.

But what difference does that make in the case of John Wayne Gacy? You can spin it any way you want to -- bisexual, not exclusively homosexual, etc. -- but his 33 murder-rapes of only males show clearly that he was a homosexual serial killer.

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104 posted on 08/31/2002 5:43:39 PM PDT by JCG
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To: JoshGray
In conclusion, "homosexual acts" do not equal "admitted being exclusively homosexual" by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, Bryan looked up and found what he was looking for to suit an agenda, but the word-play, twisted definitions, and number-crunching doesn't stand up to any sort of objective examination.

So, Josh, what's your bottom line? Bryan and Reisner and Cameron and everyone else should just furl their banners and quit the field? That we should all just get used to it? That we should all make an effort to improve ourselves before pointing fingers, and commit ourselves to really giving ourselves a chance to rise above our heterosexist breeder narrowness? And discover what warm, wonderful people gays are, even when they're dating our kids and bringing them home with STD's?

What's the bottom line, Josh?

115 posted on 09/01/2002 5:04:20 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: JoshGray
He also notes in disproving Kinsey Maslow's observation that people tend to lie or withhold intimate sexual secrets -- I guess he felt that some portion of heterosexuals would claim to be homosexual, thus skewing the percentages higher? Feel free to disagree, but it's my feeling that if people are going to lie or withhold sexual secrets, it's going to be in favor of the societal norms, not the opposite.

But the most traditional will practice discretion and refuse to participate altogether.

143 posted on 09/01/2002 7:52:06 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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