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Posted on 10/01/2002 8:22:47 PM PDT by Abar
Tuesday, October 1, 2002
Ujaama ordered held without bail
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
A federal magistrate on Tuesday ordered an American Muslim held without bail on charges of trying to set up a terrorist training camp in Oregon, saying the court had no other way of ensuring he would appear for trial.
James Ujaama, who grew up in Seattle, was arrested July 22 in Denver. He was held as a material witness until Aug. 29, when a grand jury in Seattle indicted him on one count of conspiracy to provide material support and resources for the al-Qaida terrorist network, and another count of using, carrying, possessing and discharging firearms during a crime.
U.S. Magistrate John Weinberg noted Ujaama's previous work as a community activist in Seattle.
"He was a fine citizen over those years," the magistrate said, "but people change."
Weinberg called some of the changes "drastic" and "tragic" and said the government had presented persuasive evidence that Ujaama had been helping terrorists.
Although Ujaama's mother and aunt had offered to put up their houses as collateral, that would not ensure Ujaama would stay in this country to face trial, Weinberg said.
Trial is set for November but likely will be postponed, perhaps for as long as a year.
Prosecutors allege Ujaama tried to set up a terrorist training camp at a ranch in Bly, Ore. He denies the charges.
The terrorists did their homework. They knew where they would be supported - even defended, and by whom.
If only M. would spend less time at the idris mosque worrying about 'hate crimes' and more time studying the true nature of islam, not to mention the long list of terrorist acts perpetrated against Americans by allah's finest, we'd all be better off.
As it stands now, Seattle mosques are still ground zero for terrorist organizing and planning. They continue to enjoy complete immunity.
I don't think you saw it but I posted twice about our experience at the Puyallup fair a month ago. Leaving the livestock barn we came across a booth run by the Islam something of Seattle. So we asked a man sitting there questions and he told us he was sure no islamics had had anything to do with the demise of the WTC. It was the jews who did it.
Some other good stuff, too, which I can't recall this morning.
James Ujaama attended a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and tried to go there again through Pakistan six days before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, federal prosecutors said yesterday.
That is precisely what a lot of al Qaeda leaders worldwide, including binalShibh did. Ujaama probably knew in advance about 9/11.
For example.
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2002/august/mm_ujaama.htm
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If you are a prominent local black activist or politician, however, you whip out your race card and start making excuses, spreading blame and mouthing off when chastened silence would be the wiser course.
"I don't know everything James Ujaama did when he was in London," said Charlie James, a black community activist in Seattle who heads something called the "Organization of African American Unity." "But I've been knowing (sic) him all his life." Ujaama -- who founded an extremist pro-Muslim Web site after Sept. 11 called "StopAmerica.org" and visited Pakistan several times since the terrorist attacks -- has a "streak of militancy," James acknowledged. But he declared unequivocally that Ujaama is not a terrorist.
Ron Sims, King County, Wash., executive and the highest-ranking African American elected official in the state, echoed the declaration publicly. Of Ujaama and his younger brother, Mustafa, Sims said: "These two gentlemen are community activists, not terrorists." Larry Gossett, a black King County councilman added: "Both of these cats have had a positive, contributing role in the African American community here."
James Ujaama's "biggest problem is that he's so damn inquisitive that he'll go anywhere anyplace anytime. I think that's what got him in trouble," Charlie James naively pontificated. Most of us satisfy our inquisitive impulses by visiting a library, not by hopscotching across hotbeds of al Qaeda activism. But never mind that. Building on this innocent scholar image, James told another reporter that Ujaama simply traveled abroad "to see how other Muslims are living." He's "a curious guy," James said. "He goes out to see the world."
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And I just want to get the record straight. With all due respect, you were chief psychiatrist at the Long Beach naval station with the rank of Lieutenant Commander. You never heard a shot fired in anger, did you? MCDERMOTT: No.
NOVAK: OK. I just wanted to get the record straight. So you don't get a pass to go to Baghdad and call the president a liar because you were some kind of war hero.
MCDERMOTT: You know what I did do, Bob, I sat and dealt with the casualties that came back. If you ever saw the movie "Apocalypse Now" those kids were the ones I saw. I saw the Marines, and I know what happens when you send kids to war in a war where the government is not clear about what they are doing, in which they are not backed up.
Those kids came home confused and upset. And here we are going to a war with everybody saying we know what we're doing. We don't have any idea.
First the president says, oh, it's al Qaeda we're after. Oh, well no, it's after weapons of mass destruction. No, it's al Qaeda. What are we doing? He says it's all so sure.
We face a dual attack for sure.
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