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War on terror 'threatens' UK Muslims [Muslims manufacture charge to illicit sympathy]
BBC ^ | 12/23/02

Posted on 12/23/2002 7:30:02 AM PST by 1bigdictator

War on terror 'threatens' UK Muslims

Some Muslims suffered abuse after 11 September

A large majority of Muslims living in the UK consider the war on terror to be a war on Islam, according to a BBC survey. And more than half of those questioned for BBC Radio 4's Today programme believed Osama Bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist network should not have been blamed for the 11 September attacks.

Muslims have replaced communists as the West's bogeymen

Multi-culturalism expert Anshuman Mondal

While 11% believe further attacks on America by al-Qaeda would be justified and 8% said such an attack on Britain would be justified.

But, more than two thirds of the 500 Muslims polled by telephone over the weekend said they felt patriotic about Britain.

Of those surveyed by ICM, 37% said they had suffered more hostility and abuse since 11 September.

'West's bogeymen'

Many fear war with Iraq will bring more of the same.

Some 84% wanted the government to have the approval of the United Nations and Parliament before any action.

Multi-culturalism expert Anshuman Mondal, from Leicester University, told BBC News the poll showed Islam - "within a global context" - was now seen to mean solidarity with Muslims in Palestine and Iraq.

"Muslims have replaced communists as the West's bogeymen," he added.

Why Muslims mistrust Blair Click here for full story Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, head of the London-based radical Islamic group al-Muhajiroun, was unsurprised by the poll's findings.

"We always believed that this is a war against Islam, there is a hidden agenda against Islam, and that is really manifested on many occasions." he told Today.

Asked whether he agreed with 8% of those polled who believed al-Qaeda would be justified in attacking Britain, he said: "I believe so".

But he did not claim to represent the Muslim community in the UK.

Shahid Malik, a member of Labour's national executive committee, described the comments as "outrageous" and "garbage".

Step forward

Speaking on the same programme, he argued there could never be any justification for terrorist attacks.

Mr Malik said 8% was relatively a "large percentage", but he believed that if those people thought more about their response they would know they were "speaking nonsense."

However he agreed the majority of British Muslims do believe the war on terror is a war against Islam.

"I personally don't believe that it is a war against Islam, but if you look at it dispassionately and coldly, the way that it's manifested itself, it seems to be targeting Muslim countries."

The prime minister was showing encouraging signs by calling a meeting of Palestinian leaders in London next month, but "unfortunately, Tony Blair doesn't rule the world, George Bush does", he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida; US: New Hampshire; US: New Jersey; US: New York; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britishmuslim

1 posted on 12/23/2002 7:30:03 AM PST by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
[Muslims manufacture charge to illicit sympathy]

And, as usual, the international and American media buy it lock, stock, and barrel.

2 posted on 12/23/2002 7:32:29 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
The greatest ally for the Militant Muslim is the socialized press here and abroad that has championed this concept portraying Islam as victim to the Capitalists in the West.
3 posted on 12/23/2002 7:38:47 AM PST by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
Illicit as in illegal sympathy?

Perhaps "elicit" sympathy is the operative word?

4 posted on 12/23/2002 7:45:04 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: N. Theknow
Thank you teacher... just tell me where I can send your apple ;^)
5 posted on 12/23/2002 7:48:23 AM PST by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
Apple?

Apples are very good with cheese!

6 posted on 12/23/2002 7:50:41 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: 1bigdictator
What does the Constitution say about enemies foreign or domestic?
7 posted on 12/23/2002 7:51:47 AM PST by Dixie republican
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
" Muslims have replaced communists as the West's bogeymen "

This is a good thing.

8 posted on 12/23/2002 7:52:51 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: N. Theknow
"Apples are very good with cheese!"

And Møøse just love cheese.

9 posted on 12/23/2002 7:56:35 AM PST by BlueLancer
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To: 1bigdictator
"Muslims have replaced communists as the West's bogeymen," he added.

Gee! How in the world did that happen?

Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, head of the London-based radical Islamic group al-Muhajiroun, was unsurprised by the poll's findings.

Who says Muslims are stupid?

"We always believed that this is a war against Islam, there is a hidden agenda against Islam, and that is really manifested on many occasions." he told Today.

Hidden agenda against Islam? As opposed to an overt declaration of jihad against non-Islamic countries and peoples?

My apologies, "illicit" is the right word!

10 posted on 12/23/2002 8:00:43 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: 1bigdictator
...more than half of those questioned for BBC Radio 4's Today programme believed Osama Bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist network should not have been blamed for the 11 September attacks.

Some 84% wanted the government to have the approval of the United Nations and Parliament before any action.

But the muslims can't figure out why they're looked upon with scorn and distrust. They monetarily support terrorism through bogus charities and they verbally rationalize terrorism while denying that they are responsible for it. Yeah, right. And the mainstream German citizens carry no responsibility for the rise of Hitler's Nazi government, too ( /sarcasm ).

11 posted on 12/23/2002 8:09:18 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: 1bigdictator
I am confused - isn't the stated aim of al Qaeda - through Islam - to destroy the West, America in particular? Did not one of their "imams" - when asked what they wanted of Americans - say "nothing - we just want to destroy you"??? So, should Muslims be surprised that there is an "anti-muslim backlash"???
12 posted on 12/23/2002 8:11:26 AM PST by astounded
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To: astounded
Funny how not a single mosque was destroyed in this purported backlash against Muslims... yet in France, Belgium and England the reaction to Islamic-backed terror was to scapegoat Jews by burning down their temples... justice works in mysterious ways.
13 posted on 12/23/2002 8:15:38 AM PST by 1bigdictator
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To: N. Theknow
"We always believed that this is a war against Islam, there is a hidden agenda against Islam, and that is really manifested on many occasions." he told Today.

Hidden agenda against Islam? As opposed to an overt declaration of jihad against non-Islamic countries and peoples?

I was just about to hit on this point, too. The muslims cry about secret conspiracies and agendas against them while openly advocating brutal death against "unbelievers" and funding bogus charities that funnel money to terrorists.

The muslims claim that they are under unfair scrutiny while they openly support terrorists and it's a hate crime if anybody looks at them cross-eyed at the grocery store.

14 posted on 12/23/2002 8:17:35 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: astounded
So, should Muslims be surprised that there is an "anti-muslim backlash"???

They think you should sit idly by while they threaten to brutally torture-murder you and your family.

15 posted on 12/23/2002 8:20:37 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: 1bigdictator
If Muslims haven't replaced Communists as bogeymen, they certainly should.

Communism was the great enemy from 1848 to 1989, and it still remains dangerous in North Korea and China.

Islam was the great enemy for more than a thousand years up until 1850 or thereabouts, and now it is the great enemy once again. Although we didn't realize it, Islamofacist aggression against the West probably goes back to somewhere around 1950. History will probably say that Islam took a hundred-year vacation to recuperate itself. Otherwise, it has been the most deadly aggressor against the Christian West, Africa, and Asia, since the dark ages.
16 posted on 12/23/2002 8:39:19 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
".....more than half of those questioned for BBC Radio 4's Today programme believed Osama Bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist network should not have been blamed for the 11 September attacks."

Betcha patty murray was one of those polled by the BBC, and who agreed with the above.

17 posted on 12/23/2002 8:42:27 AM PST by jmax
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To: 1bigdictator
Muslims have this interesting concept of international islamic solidarity called the "umma"
I am no Korannic scholar, nor am I conversant with the various paraKorannic apocrypha (hadiths?) used to amplify the basic document. However, I seem to recall seeing references to some pieces of writ which basically went as follows: Any time any Muslim (part of the Umma) is attacked by any infidel, any other Muslim is not only allowed but encouraged to attack any member -no matter how distant- of the infidel's people as retributive retalliation. There was no mention of limits or precision or proportionality to the response. It is a carte blanche.
OK. Fine. By this rationale, any attack on any Muslim individual or group or nation by default equates to an attack against the Umma, or Islam as a whole. This is the mindset we are dealing with.
Fine. Then let us deal with it, ON THEIR OWN TERMS.
I propose the following for your consideration: At any time a Westerner is chided by a Muslim for the War on Terrorism-as-War on Islam, let this Westerner respond by paraphrasing the creed of the Umma, thusly:
"I could reverse your line of thinking against you. Any attack on any individual member of the Body of the West by a Muslim is an attack upon the entire Body of the West, and as such must be responded to with immediate and unlimited violence by any Westerner against any adherent of Islam. *chambering round* Do you REALLY want to play this game?"
18 posted on 12/23/2002 9:12:31 AM PST by demosthenes the elder
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