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Right-wing critics miss the point of senator's comments (Patty Murray again...)
FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM ^ | 09/01/2003 | Jack Z. Smith

Posted on 01/09/2003 4:07:54 AM PST by DocFarmer

Right-wing critics miss the point of senator's comments By Jack Z. Smith FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM

In winning her first race for the U.S. Senate in 1992, Patty Murray was depicted as an everyday "mom in tennis shoes." But the Democratic lawmaker from Washington may now need to don a pair of hip waders to navigate the deep political mud in which she finds herself mired.

Conservative critics have assailed Murray - admittedly, with some justification - for her controversial comments about U.S. foreign policy and Osama bin Laden.

But the primary point she was making - that America needs to reassess its foreign policy and examine why so many people around the world loathe us - also meshes strongly with recent remarks from a top official in the Bush administration: Secretary of State Colin Powell.

Those frothing-at-the-mouth right-wing commentators who seek to portray Murray as a Benedict Arnold are off the mark. Instead of lynching Murray verbally, they should use her comments as a springboard for a serious, balanced discussion of shortcomings in U.S. foreign policy and how they might be addressed.

But serious, balanced discussions aren't the type of thing that many frothing-at-the-mouth right-wingers like to engage in. They greatly prefer one-sided blather that doesn't require them to think too hard.

In a Dec. 18 talk to a high school honors class, Murray said:

"We've got to ask, why is (bin Laden) so popular around the world? Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty?"

Murray said bin Laden has "been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."

"How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?" Murray said.

Let's get one thing straight. I "loathe" bin Laden. It's also my guess that Murray detests bin Laden. From the news accounts I read about her speech, I never got the impression that she "admires" the creep, as her critics would have you believe.

However, I agree with the critics that Murray expressed herself poorly.

From what I have read, she probably overstated whatever good deeds bin Laden might have done when he wasn't busy masterminding terrorist plots to kill thousands of innocent people.

She also understated the good that America has done in foreign countries via government aid or private charitable institutions.

But, having said all that, she raised a legitimate concern as to whether America should do more to foster good will and assist poor nations that view us as greedy and exploitive.

On an individual basis, Americans are, by and large, generous people. But we rank near the very bottom of the world's wealthiest nations in terms of the percentage of our gross national product that goes to foreign aid.

It was heartening to read a recent news story about how U.S. soldiers in the Paktia province of Afghanistan have been helping to rebuild three schools that were bombed to ruins years ago.

That kind of foreign aid fosters enormous good will, and it will brighten America's image in that neck of the woods for a long time. More than half a century after the United States carried out the Marshall Plan to help rebuild Europe, we are still admired for that noble undertaking.

Powell, in a Dec. 12 speech, outlined an ambitious Bush administration program to reach out to the hostile Middle East in nonmilitary ways, such as providing technical assistance to Arab governments seeking membership in the World Trade Organization and supporting measures to expand female literacy.

"Any approach to the Middle East that ignores its political, economic and educational underdevelopment will be built on sand," Powell said.

That's also what Murray was trying to say. Strong foreign relations require more than guns and ammo.

(Excerpt) Read more at tallahassee.com ...


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Another Patty bin Murray apologist steps up to the keyboard...
1 posted on 01/09/2003 4:07:55 AM PST by DocFarmer
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To: DocFarmer
America needs to reassess its foreign policy and examine why so many people around the world loathe us

I could care less! If they "loathe us" so much then STOP sending them MY money!!!

2 posted on 01/09/2003 4:12:42 AM PST by kcvl
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To: DocFarmer
Amazing how a leftie is trying to tell eveyone what Patty( I luv Bin) Murray REALLY meant. Libs have telepathy don't ya know. This is a weak attempt at damage control.
3 posted on 01/09/2003 4:13:37 AM PST by marty60
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To: DocFarmer
Murray said bin Laden has "been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."

What a nerd! The proofs in the pudding.

START NAMING THESE PLACES and lets put some dollar signs on these remarkable deeds

4 posted on 01/09/2003 4:15:26 AM PST by chachacha
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To: DocFarmer
>>But the primary point she was making - that America needs to reassess its foreign policy and examine why so many people around the world loathe us

Wow...he comes out with this as if it's fact.

And to top it off - we should go to Patty Murry for foreign policy advice?

ROFL !!!!

These people are filled with "if only's" If only, we gave all our money to _____ and they weren't poor all these years then they wouldn't have blown up _____ .

I have an if only for them.

If only socialism had never been thought of ...... the constant re-experimentation and destruction of human life would have been avoided.


5 posted on 01/09/2003 4:17:05 AM PST by The Raven (Some of my best friends are Democrats)
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To: chachacha
Jacky Z will first have to understand that the moslems will always hate us. And we will never not be hated by somebody. To worry about it only exposes us to further criticism for appearing weak. Patty was and is a dope, he should try defending that fact.
6 posted on 01/09/2003 4:19:43 AM PST by Thebaddog
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To: DocFarmer
What an apologist. The US ranks near the bottom of our GNP tht goes towards foreign aid. Yes but why did he not indicate what that total amount was compared to other nations. What is counted as foreign aid?

I am a democrat. Yes we should ask why 9-1-1 happened and why so many countries hate us. But for goodness sakes, Hitler built schools too. OBL built his goodwill with drug money from the opium fields in Afganahistan, that probably ended up in the drug dens in America near our schools.


7 posted on 01/09/2003 4:23:24 AM PST by CombatEngineer
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To: DocFarmer
"In winning her first race for the U.S. Senate in 1992, Patty Murray was depicted as an everyday "mom in tennis shoes." But the Democratic lawmaker from Washington may now need to don a pair of hip waders to navigate the deep political mud in which she finds herself mired.

Conservative critics have assailed Murray - admittedly, with some justification - for her controversial comments about U.S. foreign policy and Osama bin Laden"


I wish that all liberal bleeding heart fools would stay at home and raise their children properly. Sigh.......
8 posted on 01/09/2003 4:26:15 AM PST by wgeorge2001
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To: DocFarmer
"We've got to ask, why is (bin Laden) so popular around the world?"
Bin Laden is popular in the MUSLIM world only. That's because that "religion" teaches their people to hate (and to kill) all non-Muslims. Oh I forgot - it's a religion of peace. Not.
9 posted on 01/09/2003 4:30:39 AM PST by afz400
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To: DocFarmer
What Murray and her apologists leave out of their explanations is the role of militant Islam as a motivating force. OBL has established Islamic schools which teach hatred of the West, Jews and Christians. But OBL is not the Lone Ranger in this respect. The Saudis have been funding this effort for decades. Their entire state is run on this principle and they have spent millions, if not billions, exporting this creed throughout the world, including not just Arab countries but throughout Europe and North America.

While the editorial writer and Murray make the case for a materialistic answer to OBL. I believe that OBL’s popularity has its roots in Islam. Few people, especially the middle class, educated perpetrators of 9/11 are willing to kill themselves for construction projects. However, history is full of martyrs for their faith, both in the Christian world, but especially in the Moslem world where the fruits of martyrdom are explicitly described.

10 posted on 01/09/2003 4:32:22 AM PST by moneyrunner
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To: DocFarmer
Those frothing-at-the-mouth right-wing commentators who seek to portray Murray as a Benedict Arnold

And I suppose this guy's redeeming trait is that he doesn't froth at the mouth.

Another name caller without a mirror.

11 posted on 01/09/2003 4:40:03 AM PST by Tom Bombadil
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To: DocFarmer
I wonder if Mr. Smith, or any of his other socialist pals,
have ever used the term "LEFT-WING"....

You can always spot the lefties. They can not not say anything without the R-W word.

By the way, I am very proud of MY "RIGHT"-wing thinking, thank you :P
12 posted on 01/09/2003 4:40:37 AM PST by AlexW
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To: DocFarmer
This whole thing is sickening.

"We've got to ask, why is (bin Laden) so popular around the world? Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty?" Uh, hello? Could it be that the people in these countries "riddled with poverty" are not being told where all of the money has been coming from? Or maybe because they have been told that those evil devil's the Americans are hoarding all of the worlds money, resources, etc.. for themselves? (while thier greedy Governments take the aid and live like kings)

Murray said bin Laden has "been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that." Uh, Senator Murray?, as a US Senator have you, or have you not, been responsible for approving foreign aid to all of these countries "riddled with poverty"? Please speak up, we can't understand your response. What?? You mean you have approved foreign aid in the past? How then can you make the statement "We haven't done that."?

"How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?" Murray said. This woman proves Orwell's theory about double think. She knows the truth about American foreign aid but since the truth does not coincide with the Party Line, she must totally ignore what she knows is true and state a bald faced lie. 2 + 2 = 5, the new Social Democratic Creed.

13 posted on 01/09/2003 4:40:41 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (patience is a virtue, but I'm not feeling very virtuous today)
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To: afz400
"Bin Laden is popular in the MUSLIM world only."



Apparently this is not so, it seems that OBL is quite popular in the democrat party. It seems that the democrats are using this "good OBL" to encourage the "anti-war" movement and register high school voters. These people are very twisted.
14 posted on 01/09/2003 4:47:12 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: DocFarmer
However, I agree with the critics that Murray Trent Lott expressed herself poorly. From what I have read, she probably overstated whatever good deeds bin Laden Strom Thurmond might have done

Did Jack Smith give Trent Lott the benefit of the doubt? Is it more or less OK to praise Bin Laden, but obviously out of line to praise Thurmond? I'm so confused.

15 posted on 01/09/2003 4:47:28 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: DocFarmer
Oh, I see; TREASON can be a GOOD thing if you're a DemonRat.
How could I have missed that?
16 posted on 01/09/2003 4:47:37 AM PST by trebb
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To: DocFarmer
Can she provide the address of ONE "day care center" that Usama built?
17 posted on 01/09/2003 4:48:33 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: moneyrunner
To expand on your remarks...

It is human nature to dislike the biggest, the most powerful, the most successful, the one who gets what he wants...that's why so many people hate the Cowboys and the Raiders. There is a dislike of America throughout the world, not because of our foreign policy, but because of our station.

America-haters around the world gravitate toward Bin Laden simply because he is the star of their team. He became a major player when he showed he could damage America, and the rest of the world, who doesn't mind seeing the big dog get knocked down a couple pegs, rallied behind him.

It has nothing to do with building infrastructure and day-care centers, Miss mental midget Murray. It has everything to do with America-hating (a concept I'm sure as a Democrat you're familiar with) and the star power Bin Laden achieved by successfully killing 3000 Americans.

18 posted on 01/09/2003 4:48:47 AM PST by copycat (the Unchurched)
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To: CombatEngineer
why did he not indicate what that total amount was compared to other nations.

It's the old percentage ploy. You can make things look good or bad by using percentages as opposed to real figures - that's why people love them.
19 posted on 01/09/2003 5:04:07 AM PST by OBone
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To: DocFarmer
That's also what Murray was trying to say. Strong foreign relations require more than guns and ammo.

No it is not. Because, as noted above in the article, America already DOES more than "guns and ammo" foreign policy.

The Patty Murrays of the world will never be satisfied until America eliminates guns and ammo from our foreign policy entirely. They think negotiating from strength is, well, rude. They approach foreign policy like a girl approaches dating, thinking that the goal is to make ourselves desired or even loved. Attempting to candy-coat this childish world-view, and make Murray sound like a serious foreign policy advisor, is rather silly.

20 posted on 01/09/2003 5:06:48 AM PST by Snuffington
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